Page 6 | To think mumsnet should explain why Gaza threads keep getting deleted?

ADpackage · 2025-07-08T11:31:07+00:00

No explanation and nothings been said that was antisemetic or broke guidelines. I’d really like to know why whole discussions are being deleted on a globally important topic instead of individual posts being deleted. Some of us care deeply about this topic and would like to see it being discussed.

noblegiraffe · 09/07/2025 00:16

Again, if it had been any other conflict or humanitarian crisis in the world it would have been left no worries, but because it was Palestine it was immediately deleted by admin.

Blame your fellow activists for that.

ForWittyTealOP · 09/07/2025 00:20

Blessthismess2 · 09/07/2025 00:11

Please tell me where I claimed to be the only ND person here?

Your accusation that I am “trying to deny Jewish people a voice” is wild. The post exchange can be read above- I have no wish to repeat myself:

On the fundraiser- actually a whole load of people were disturbed it had been deleted and private messaged me to ask for details. And I wasn’t “seeking to get involved” in anything at all! I was sharing a fundraiser for an international aid organisation, delivering aid and medical services to people in crisis.

Again, if it had been any other conflict or humanitarian crisis in the world it would have been left no worries, but because it was Palestine it was immediately deleted by admin.

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You seem to have your mind fairly well made up (closed) and to be uninterested in listening to or trying to understand other points of view. Let's each stay in our own worlds eh, mine where Gaza is one of the main topics of the day, discussed openly and freely across all forums without fear of judgement and yours where anti semitism/anti Jewish hatred isn't even a possibility and where people are trying to stop your attempts at raising awareness of the conflict left, right and centre.

EdithStourton · 09/07/2025 08:31

Flippityflopflip · 08/07/2025 16:33

Like me, the OP is probably horrified regarding this particular conflict because:

The citizens of Gaza can't flee from the conflict like other war zones because the Israeli government controls all exit points (just as it did before the war) and has beseiged the area since.
No journalists are allowed in to verify both sides' actions.
The Israeli government government has killed approaching 60,000 people, therefore inflicting a disproportionate level of violence on innocent civilians.
It has actively targeted hospitals and areas where the population fled to 'safety'. Therefore terrorising the whole population as nowhere is now safe.
The Israeli government's ultra right wing government members openly stated their aim to starve the Gazan population and then carried it out.
They have limited aid into Gaza and made the collection of the aid by starving people into a shooting and shelling gallery. What a choice starve or risk being killed when going to collect food!
All this while western governments, including the UK, do nothing tangible to stop the relentless slaughter, often of whole families, whilst stating "we support the right of Israel to defend itself" and we are "staunch allies of Israel. Israel is no longer defending itself, but seeking the decimation of the Palestinian society in Gaza.
When the Gazan people can cannot defend themselves from the massive repercussions of what a faction did on 7th October to Israel, it is looking every day like shooting fish in a fish bowl.

This is why the Gazan's plight affects us so much. The sheer, wanton, destruction of a people and their land, all while the world watches on in horror at the actions of the Israeli government, who shout "you are being anti-semitic" when told they are committing war crimes.

The fact that hardly any news items about the Israeli government's actions in Gaza and in the West Bank are open for comments, even the Guardian of all places, says something. So Mumsnet is one of the few places where we can work through with others our horror about the appalling situation, on a popular part of Mumsnet and not be hidden in the background.

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Just to pick up one point from the above...
Gaza has a border with Egypt.
I'm not often CITME but when I am, I rarely/never see anyone pointing out that Egypt could admit refugees...

BoredZelda · 09/07/2025 08:45

freakyfriday23 · 08/07/2025 13:34

Op is being disingenuous. She knows exactly What she's doing. The way she talks, her wording is very easy to see through. I'm enjoying watching her play out 😄

I agree. It’s pretty blatant.

BoredZelda · 09/07/2025 08:59

ForWittyTealOP · 08/07/2025 17:58

That doesn't answer my question though, since I've never said the conflict isn't horrific.

Gang rape of women until they're unconscious, followed by the insertion of handwritten, plastic wrapped notes into their wombs, notes which read "this is to ensure no babies of your ethnicity are ever born again" is also horrific. Where are the weekly protests? The thousands of threads? The accusations that you can't say anything without being accused of racism?

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Of course it is horrific. Where do you draw the line for what is an appropriate response to that? Is nothing off limits? Would it be ok if the same thing was done to Palestinian women?

I fully support Israel’s right to defend themselves against Hamas. International law says the response needs to be appropriate. Can you honestly say you believe the response is appropriate?

If Ukraine was doing the same thing to Russian citizens, do you think they would have the widespread support that the Israeli Government has in this?

Blessthismess2 · 09/07/2025 09:27

ForWittyTealOP · 09/07/2025 00:20

You seem to have your mind fairly well made up (closed) and to be uninterested in listening to or trying to understand other points of view. Let's each stay in our own worlds eh, mine where Gaza is one of the main topics of the day, discussed openly and freely across all forums without fear of judgement and yours where anti semitism/anti Jewish hatred isn't even a possibility and where people are trying to stop your attempts at raising awareness of the conflict left, right and centre.

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My mind is not remotely closed on this issue and this is in no way a reasonable or evidenced characterisation of my views:

where anti semitism/anti Jewish hatred isn't even a possibility

I also think this statement is pretty incredible - especially given the context of this very exchange!

discussed openly and freely across all forums without fear of judgement !

Katiesaidthat · 09/07/2025 09:37

EdithStourton · 09/07/2025 08:31

Just to pick up one point from the above...
Gaza has a border with Egypt.
I'm not often CITME but when I am, I rarely/never see anyone pointing out that Egypt could admit refugees...

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I think the Egyptians have expressed their reasons consistently. Opening their frontiers to let the whole of Gaza in would a) play into the hands of the Israeli government by effectively getting rid of the Gaza population problem b) make an Israeli problem an Egyptian problem. Also certain elements of the Gaza male population are problematic to say the least and Egypt has its own problems without adding fuel to the fire.

ForWittyTealOP · 09/07/2025 10:05

BoredZelda · 09/07/2025 08:59

Of course it is horrific. Where do you draw the line for what is an appropriate response to that? Is nothing off limits? Would it be ok if the same thing was done to Palestinian women?

I fully support Israel’s right to defend themselves against Hamas. International law says the response needs to be appropriate. Can you honestly say you believe the response is appropriate?

If Ukraine was doing the same thing to Russian citizens, do you think they would have the widespread support that the Israeli Government has in this?

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What is the point of asking me all these unrelated questions? You can't really think I believe what's happening in Gaza is anything short of obscene. I just don't jump to easy "solutions".

noblegiraffe · 09/07/2025 11:05

Blessthismess2 · 09/07/2025 09:27

My mind is not remotely closed on this issue and this is in no way a reasonable or evidenced characterisation of my views:

where anti semitism/anti Jewish hatred isn't even a possibility

I also think this statement is pretty incredible - especially given the context of this very exchange!

discussed openly and freely across all forums without fear of judgement !

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Grok AI which is trained on largely unmoderated Twitter comments overnight started calling itself MechaHitler and saying Hitler had the right idea.

Yet you would insist that not allowing comments on news articles is about censorship of valid discussion.

You are either wilfully ignorant or incredibly naive.

Helpmeplease2025 · 09/07/2025 12:59

I posted a fundraiser for MSF in Palestine in a local mums WhatsApp group and it was deleted.

Quite right. As if mums WhatsApp groups aren’t enough already.

Dangermoo · 09/07/2025 13:41

Katiesaidthat · 09/07/2025 09:37

I think the Egyptians have expressed their reasons consistently. Opening their frontiers to let the whole of Gaza in would a) play into the hands of the Israeli government by effectively getting rid of the Gaza population problem b) make an Israeli problem an Egyptian problem. Also certain elements of the Gaza male population are problematic to say the least and Egypt has its own problems without adding fuel to the fire.

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Oh please. Egypt don't want to open their border for one main reason and it isn't what you have stated. The same applies to Jordan. This is naivety - again.

EdithStourton · 09/07/2025 13:59

Katiesaidthat · 09/07/2025 09:37

I think the Egyptians have expressed their reasons consistently. Opening their frontiers to let the whole of Gaza in would a) play into the hands of the Israeli government by effectively getting rid of the Gaza population problem b) make an Israeli problem an Egyptian problem. Also certain elements of the Gaza male population are problematic to say the least and Egypt has its own problems without adding fuel to the fire.

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So it couldn't establish a safe zone? Not at all?

Sure.

Allowing people to reach safety is less important than 'playing into the hands of the Israeli government'?

Okay...

Dangermoo · 09/07/2025 14:28

Lebanon and Kuwait tell me why Egypt won't open their doors.

ETA: that reminds me, why did Egypt and Jordan fail to establish a Palestinian state - they had plenty of time in which to do it.

mounjarotravel · 09/07/2025 18:42

@Dangermoo as I'm sure you know but I'm spelling this out for others who are less familiar with the history, when Jordan let in Palestinian refugees in the 70s, the Palestinians staged a coup and tried to take over the country. Read up on Black September.

Though many of Hamas' arms / supplies were smuggled into Gaza in tunnels from Egypt, the Egyptians don't want Gazans either. The history of Jordan puts them off, it's a lot of people to potentially 'house' (understandably) and there are many jihadists who could destabilise Egyptian society.

None of their neighbours want them - with good reason.

Dangermoo · 09/07/2025 19:07

mounjarotravel · 09/07/2025 18:42

@Dangermoo as I'm sure you know but I'm spelling this out for others who are less familiar with the history, when Jordan let in Palestinian refugees in the 70s, the Palestinians staged a coup and tried to take over the country. Read up on Black September.

Though many of Hamas' arms / supplies were smuggled into Gaza in tunnels from Egypt, the Egyptians don't want Gazans either. The history of Jordan puts them off, it's a lot of people to potentially 'house' (understandably) and there are many jihadists who could destabilise Egyptian society.

None of their neighbours want them - with good reason.

Oh I know. X

RosaMundi27 · 11/07/2025 13:56

The sheer proliferation of unevidenced, emotive and one-sided Hamas propaganda is the most likely reason.

Hoardasurass · 11/07/2025 14:57

Dangermoo · 09/07/2025 13:41

Oh please. Egypt don't want to open their border for one main reason and it isn't what you have stated. The same applies to Jordan. This is naivety - again.

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Jordan already booted out the Palestinians that were resident decades ago for cause and don't want them back again.
People who condemn Israel should ask themselves why no Muslim countries want to take in Palestinian refugees

ExercicenformedeZ · 11/07/2025 16:34

RosaMundi27 · 11/07/2025 13:56

The sheer proliferation of unevidenced, emotive and one-sided Hamas propaganda is the most likely reason.

This! It's an absolute disgrace.