To think mumsnet should explain why Gaza threads keep getting deleted?

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No explanation and nothings been said that was antisemetic or broke guidelines. I’d really like to know why whole discussions are being deleted on a globally important topic instead of individual posts being deleted. Some of us care deeply about this topic and would like to see it being discussed.

Yeah I agree with this

Because you cannot answer it when it’s turned round. Which says a lot. It was a simple question.

Honestly extremist views like yours increase division. That’s why I don’t post much on here. These kinds of comments make me grateful for the friends I have irl of every religion with whom I can have balanced discussions. And where everyone has compassion for the death,injury and rape of innocents on every side.

Looking at the CITME board, 19 and a bit pages so a minimum of 900 (undeleted) threads broadly about Gaza and Israel.

I don't know which were deleted but it will be because there were a lot of posts breaking talk guidelines.

This one isn’t about Gaza…it’s about your thoughts on censorship.

I also suspect you know why the threads are being deleted too…

You're barking up the wrong tree. Although, I do thank you for confirming my initial thoughts.

You are really proving my point here.

I don’t. Why are they being deleted?

I would appreciate ending our discussion here. Thanks.

But you are perfectly allowed to discuss views on Gaza and there's a whole section dedicated to threads about the conflict.

What the OP did was start an offensive thread where they wanted to post abhorrent views like Hamas didn't rape anyone on October 7th.

Do you think threads like that should be allowed? You seemed to rush to defend the OP so I assume you know what she was posting.

Why? It's racist.

I will happily do so as it’s futile, as expected.
I hope for peace for all involved.

All of this

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"The fact that hardly any news items about the Israeli government's actions in Gaza and in the West Bank are open for comments, even the Guardian of all places, says something."

What does it say, do you think? Maybe you want to consider why you're - possibly subconsciously - repeating the trope that Jews control the media. That might explain why some people feel, despite the evidence, that their views on the conflict are being censored or suppressed. Because on some level they believe that Jews really are shadowy figures in high places exerting undue evidence.

But your statements are incorrect.

1. Gaza has a border with Egypt. Why don't you ask the Egyptians to give them safe passage?
2. You think Hamas would let journos they perceive to be unsympathetic to report freely? They kill their own people without thought, you can bet foreign journos wouldn't last long. Sometimes I wish Israel would let them in to the strip to prove the point, but that's not very humane.
3. All death is terrible but a massive proportion (estimated at 50%) comprises Hamas fighters. No matter what you think, Israel just wants to live, exist and thrive without having bombs constantly dropped on it, suicide attacks and massacres such as 7 Oct. It really doesn't want to send in its youth to destroy Hamas infrastructure so the armed force on its border constantly trying to destroy them is neutered (Hamas' stated aim, remember).
4. It's been proven that Hamas' infrastructure is in/under/around hospitals. It actively operates out of these, schools and mosques because it a) hopes this might protect its fighters and b) it makes great footage that naive people in the West believes portray Israel in a bad light. In war mistakes do happen but not to the extent that some think.
5. I don't like this either. The only justification I can think of is that this was a tactic to make the enemy believe its intent. I hope that to be the case.
6. So much aid has gone into Gaza that people there are in theory receiving 40% more than the recommended daily allowance for adults. New study finds food supply to Gaza more than sufficient for population’s needs | The Times of Israel. Hamas has been stealing the food, holding it in warehouses and selling it on the black market at hugely inflated prices. They have even been shooting Gazans who are trying to avail themselves of aid, because it suits them to scare off the hungry.
7. Israel is destroying the infrastructure that Hamas has built (at our expense - all that aid money) to destroy Israel.
8. Some can't defend themselves, many are complicit. Have you seen the coverage of 7 Oct? Many were happy and gleeful, celebrating in the streets. Many, I wager, have no choice to 'celebrate' because of the fear and power and control Hamas has in the strip and I accept that many innocents are dying too. The pressure should be on Hamas to cede power and release the hostages. They have the power to make it all stop, but they won't.

To be clear it’s never occurred to me to think for one moment that “Jews control the media”.

But do you deny that discussion of this issue is censored? I posted a fundraiser for MSF in Palestine in a local mums WhatsApp group and it was deleted.

Deletion of offensive batshittery = censored

That's hardly censorship. Whoever happens to run that particular what's app group can delete whatever posts they want. I'm sure there are plenty of other places you can promote one of the biggest charities in the world, it's not some conspiracy.

But do you deny that discussion of this issue is censored? I posted a fundraiser for MSF in Palestine in a local mums WhatsApp group and it was deleted

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I'm not sure why you're asking me if I agree with you that discussions of Gaza are censored. That entirely misses my point which is that stereotypes of Jews are so engrained that they seem almost normal and inevitable facts of life.

I see so little about the genocides in Sudan or Eritrea in the media. Why aren't you asking if they're censored too? Are we "allowed" to discuss the obliteration of women's basic rights in Afghanistan because I don't see a lot about that - is some shadowy force suppressing our words?

It's depressing how anti semitism is so normalised that a large number of non-Jews tell us it doesn't exist. Just because you don't realise you hold underlying prejudices and assumptions, doesn't mean they don't exist.

I was at work the other day, dithering in the canteen about what drink to by. The stranger next to me said ‘you can’t buy coke as Coca Cola are complicit in genocide. I rolled my eyes and moved on. People spouting their opinions openly about intensely complex historical international
situations that none of us are qualified to fully comprehend. It’s staggering how much nonsense people come out with.

There is no genocide. There is a war, yes. People are dying, yes. It’s horrible, yes. But repeatedly calling it a genocide doesn’t make it so. And repeating such a lie turns the war’s focus on its head, jeopardises international Jewry’s safety and allows Hamas to literally get away with murder. Again.

I asked you, because you asked the pp why she thought that and suggested it must be because she was antisemitic.

It sounds like you are denying that it is censored?

News articles about Sudan or Afghanistan don’t have their comments switched off and I wouldn’t have my WhatsApp post deleted in the local mums group if I shared a fundraiser for MSF in Sudan, so no, I don’t think discussing those topics is censored.

People not wanting politics posted in their local mums WhatsApp group isn't censorship.

It wasn’t politics it was a charity fundraiser for MSF- an international aid organisation that provides medical services all over the world- it’s literally in their name - “without borders”.

Fundraisers for all kinds of causes have always been allowed in the chat- including international aid - and most recently many for aid relief efforts in Ukraine. This was the first time a fundraiser for aid/ charity was deleted.

Tbf if you you've made up your mind what my view is there's not a lot of point carrying on asking me is there?

I'm sorry that you've hit my nuanced point over the head with your "can't say anything without being accused of being anti-Semitic" brickbat but honestly? I can't do your thinking for you.