Probably been said before, but an area just for Trans issues?

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Could there be an area just for trans issues please?

Whatever one thinks of it, there are so so many threads on it and with the recent court ruling, at least some of this issue is now going to be decided.

This issue is unfortunately a major societal one now, but the Supreme Court ruling has been made, and the immediate reactions have taken place.

There are so many threads on it. It's taking over and it's hard to escape the conclusion that some of the threads are started, or kept high up on the front pages of various sections, by trans rights activists who are not taking the Supreme Court ruling with grace. It's playing into the hands of people who frankly seem to be posting with their own agenda and it's not always one of goodwill or genuine discourse.

Please could we at least have a section where the multiple, often repeated, threads this issue can go? It's time for that now.

You are making inaccurate assumptions and rather a lot of them.

Why is this a major issue when it affects such a minute percentage of the population? Don't you think there's a reason behind the masses of coverage? People are so blind.

What a load of nonsense 🤣

Who? Her or me?

If it's me, that poster seems to be quite sure of how I feel - 'scared of the issue' and asking 'why shouldn't it be discussed' as if I was saying it shouldn't.

Neither of which are remotely true.

So I'm afraid her post is indeed nonsense, and that woman has rather a problem with extrapolating other people's perspectives too far. If you meant my post is nonsense, you've frankly got a major problem yourself.

A very few people on this thread seem to have actually got what I meant in the first place. When you see how the whole thing has gone, the (wilful?) misunderstandings and the polarized viewpoints, it is mildly bizarre.

Yep
Adding a General Chat section which allowed topic specific political activism.

I clicked and reported a trending thread last night on the LGBT child board from someone claiming to be a teen looking for private contact via email. From the speed of MNs reaction multiple other posters spotted and reported it too.

If it had been a poster wanting to chat on MN i would have ignored it and clicked back out.

Seconded 👍

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A very few people on this thread seem to have actually got what I meant in the first place. When you see how the whole thing has gone, the (wilful?) misunderstandings and the polarized viewpoints, it is mildly bizarre.]

Or some dont see the SC case as a trans issue as it creates a rather important bit of case law about how the lower courts should read individual laws.

If the ruling said that the word woman should read male person as well as female person people would be asking or even demanding threads be moved to womens rights.

I gave examples to illustrate my point - just like you did.

You specifically asked what was offensive, so I gave you one example. You gave an example about a thread, I explained why that was a poor example.

Seems to me you just want to control who's allowed to say what, and how they say it.

The sex and gender board was forced on FWR (as it used to be known) - they didn't ask for it.

Otherwise known as ‘alternative viewpoints’ as anyone with those are usually called a TRA? Or a male, or uneducated, not a feminist, mentally defective, a child abuser - until they leave the forum.

That’s an echo chamber. And a toxic one at that.

Well, not so. I’ve been part of a fair few and even (ahem) started them.

I’d think it would be particularly specific to topics like ideologies, politics and religion - things centred around our ideas of identity and our in- and out- groups.

They're allowed to be there, nothing's stopping them posting.

Unlike reddit for instance, which ran all the GC subs off the platform, and bans women left, right, and centre.

The thing is, it takes one person out of thousands to say "you're not a real feminist" or "you are smelly" and then it's true to say "I posted a disagreement in FWR and was called smelly".

"Being called" a thing on a forum of thousands doesn't mean that that's the prevailing view, or that everyone says it, or that everyone thinks it. There are loads of views expressed and tbh if you think you need to agree with all of them, or they all need to be not on the wind-up, in order to even read the threads then perhaps large forums just aren't for you.

I've been on FWR for years and have "been called" a man, a liar, all sorts by individual posters that didn't understand what I was saying, or were a bit nuts, or just vehemently disagreed with me.

What I didn't do was refuse to engage and decide that everyone thinks I'm a man so it's an echo chamber. And because of that I've learned a lot about my own views and others'. That's not for everyone, sure. Lots of people are uncomfortable really interrogating and clarifying their own position on a topic.

It isn’t though.

FWR is not a “toxic echo chamber”, but it’s a feminist board that centres female sex based rights. If people don’t like its tone, they can choose whether to contribute or not. Just like any other online community, particularly one that gets targeted by activists for disruption.

Quite right Screamingabdabz

What is also remarkable is to see people declare they wish to post on feminist issues yet don’t realise there is a completely separate board for it.

People’s ability to scroll past threads they don’t want to interact with so MN have to personally curate AIBU based on their preference is tired and old.

So do you think then a board dedicated to discussing lawnmowers can be an echo chamber?

Yes.

So, to revisit the definition from Oxford Languages: ‘an environment in which a person encounters only beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforced and alternative ideas are not considered’, you believe this fits a discussion board about … lawnmowers?

At least you do agree FWR is an echo chamber.

an environment in which a person encounters only beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own

So you agree FWR is not an echo chamber then.

I was on FWR when that board was created. As far as I recall, it wasn’t feminists who wanted these discussions siloed off to be hidden away. It’s people who don’t like women publicly discussing issues that affect them and their daughters. People who don’t like the problems being aired. People who don’t like debate.

It’s not an echo chamber that the women of FWR wanted.

Women and girls aren’t a minute section of the population. Nor indeed are men. The meaning of words and single sex provisions from toilets to prisons affects everyone.

Definitions are supposed to be narrow. If you include anyone who wants to be included and exclude anyone who wants to be excluded, the group you are left with shares no common characteristics whatsoever and your category is meaningless.