Probably been said before, but an area just for Trans issues?

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Could there be an area just for trans issues please?

Whatever one thinks of it, there are so so many threads on it and with the recent court ruling, at least some of this issue is now going to be decided.

This issue is unfortunately a major societal one now, but the Supreme Court ruling has been made, and the immediate reactions have taken place.

There are so many threads on it. It's taking over and it's hard to escape the conclusion that some of the threads are started, or kept high up on the front pages of various sections, by trans rights activists who are not taking the Supreme Court ruling with grace. It's playing into the hands of people who frankly seem to be posting with their own agenda and it's not always one of goodwill or genuine discourse.

Please could we at least have a section where the multiple, often repeated, threads this issue can go? It's time for that now.

funnily enough I was thinking earlier about whether there was a trans sections on mumsnet - I have a friend dealing with issues atm and I was considering posting to ask advice…. But know the AIBU section is often full of hateful people.
I think maybe there could be a more generic LGBTQ section where people can seek support and views in a safe place

The level of debate shows the level of feeling on the topic. I don't think it will calm down until a lot of other court cases have gone through and reality hits home.

There is a LGBTQ Parents sub forums d also one for LGBTQ Children.

There is a sub forum of feminism dedicated to Sex & Gender discussion which I recall was created due to the main feminism board being overwhelmed by trans discussions.

most of the threads are under the feminism section. The Supreme Court ruling isn’t ’a trans issue’. It’s an issue which affects everyone, but it’s mostly a women’s rights issue.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/lgbt_children lgbt children board

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/lgbt_parents lgbt parents board

I wish there were! I am able to block most of the most hostile posts as long as they are under the various “feminist” boards. I do miss reading posts on feminist topics if importance to me as a politically active woman with two gay daughters but the vast majority of those threads are toxically anti trans so I gave up even looking for congenial content.

Since the recent “victory” the anti trans scorekeeping and monomania has spilled over into chat and AIBU.

It is becoming increasingly difficult to find any normal, non transphobic, content on the active feed as these celebratory/hostile posts ping to the top of the feed.

A dedicated anti trans thread location would enable like minded mumsnetters to find the content they like while leaving the rest of us free to enjoy the site without having to read through these triumphalist/gloating/hostile Fox news and right wing slander fests.

We have one. It’s called ‘sex and gender’ and is a subsection of feminist chat.

I would love it if people didn’t lazily claim things are ‘transphobic’ or ‘anti-trans’ when women are just talking about their rights, safety and dignity. If establishing sensible protections for girls and women is distressing to you, no amount of silencing women or censorship will satisfy you.

The ruling was about women

And if anyone wants to read the ruling and work out why its a woman thing:

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cvgq9ejql39t

The legal class into which 30.4 million (51.0%) of the UK population fit

It confirmed that about 48k of the 30.4 million women have a legal right to have medical care which is limited to females eg cervical cancer screening and breast cancer screening and gyne care. And yes men have breasts and can die from breast cancer.

[ Screening saves lives and if you need help in managing/ getting through an appointment do a general word search or look here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_health
Or start your own thread. ]

The ruling confirmed that about 48k women do have Pregnancy and Maternity discrimination protection and that 48kish of the 29.2 million (49.0%) men in the Uk do not have Pregnancy and Maternity discrimination protection.

Which is good news for the women as the men never needed it. And all women need it for 20 to 40 years (halfish%) of their lives.

And the courts wont need to give a legal meaning to the word Pregnancy or Maternity as the court can agree that men can not as a legal sex class ever "grow" 100% of the next generation.

Mother and Father were given meaning in 2020.

And we are not assigned a sex at birth from the lucky dip hat. So MN posters can still post about scans.

And that you can be discriminated against as single sex provision means just that.

And other stuff...

Waaa trasphobia :
MN removes posts which are transphobic. Posters post tranphobia for screenshots gotchas or its is their opinion.
So if you see it report it.
If the post is still there after a reasonable time its not a transphobic post its just an opinion you don't agree with.

Safe spaces :
no MN should not be providing "safe spaces" where the OP only sees view points that agree with their own.
If the OP wants that look in a mirror.
If the OP needs that they need proper MH support and MN cant provide that.

Data should be reliable :
And if someone can do the maths on the probability that exactly 48,000 women identified as a transman and exactly 48,000 men identified as transwomen 🙃

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/genderidentity/bulletins/genderidentityenglandandwales/census2021

Wait, you have two gay daughters. Two daughters, and you are calling womens rights 'anti trans'? Do you know how ridiculous and misogynistic you sound?

OP this is not about 'trans', this is about womens rights. And since AIBU and Chat have all sorts of topics on there, then it should be able to cope with the odd feminist thread. If you are anti feminism and anti womens rights, just scroll past those threads.

I am pro women’s rights—this is what I am complaining about! The extremely narrow definition of human, women, gay here at mumsnet. Human rights and women’s rights are not a zero sum game!

my daughters are both gay and extremely pro trans rights. They have friends of all kinds and do not feel their rights are diminished by welcoming allies of any sort or history.

The rabid anti trans stance advocated here has led directly to the diminution of female rights and gay rights in the US. We are losing bodily autonomy (abortion)and may lose gay marriage and the right of gay parents to raise their own children. All because a ginned up frenzy against trans people made enough voters choose Trump. Funny! All those wailing over trans people in women’s sports? In the US Trump’s administration will end funding for women’s sports at the collegiate level. Women, non whites, and non Christians are all being swept out of classrooms and history books.

The enemy if your enemy is not your friend. He’s still your enemy.

This

It’s not anti-trans it’s pro women.

Reference to people as “non-whites” is pretty problematic. Would you refer to women as “non-male”?

Waaa blame it in the wimen for what men do

And clownfish for anyone playing bingo because British based MN played such a big role in the US elections.

FYI the Revolution was live streamed and televised 🦬🍆

And more voted for it the next time.

And the men were not here on MN talking about womens rights

And it was mainly men because very few women were demanding entry or winning in mens sports

Or demanding to be put into mens general population in prisons

Or having meltdowns over not being allowed to strip naked in the mens area

Or earing $$$ being stunning and brave for girl days

Or demanding that people lie and are punished for not telling a lie.

And organisations like collages can choose to recognise women as a sex class and if the staff do that they get funding.

They can choose not to discriminate against all and any.

Just why should some men be discriminated against when they choose to respect the rights of women to get special funding while male cheaters use funding that was never theirs to begin with?

And US women had shittier womens rights to begin with and 50% of the voters are women.

So back atcha

The man yelling about his womens rights have to be better than your womans rights is not your friend.
He’s still womens enemy.

That's a woman's rights section, not a trans activist section.

I think the idea is to create a pro-TRA section where they can all talk to each other

So your daughters believe penis are unisex? Then they arnt gay they are bisexual

unless of course they don't actually believe women have a penis (or the ones they have relationships with dont) in which case according to stonewall they are bigots hateful and discriminatory

Either way scroll past threads that you don't agree with and unless your daughters are on mumsnet they won't be affected by opinions on here

They will be affected by the law though

It will all die down. Brexit was the same for a while. Covid threads were combative and tedious. One particularly contentious GE produced a month of open warfare on the boards. OFC a legal ruling for women’s rights will prompt discussion on a largely female forum, but the volume will settle in a week or two.

OP sounds like you'd be more at home on reddit. I don't think you can ask Mumsnet to provide a trans echo.chamber for you, it's just not in keeping with the nature of the website and feminists will still find you there but there are loads on reddit and other places.

Sounds like if you can't bear to see any threads you disagree with, this isn't the best place for you.

No. Women standing up for their rights isn't anti trans or transphobic. It's shocking how many people don't understand this.

Considering the vitriolic onslaught from violent men that some women have faced in recent years, and the appalling, misogynistic reaction a lot of them are now having to the SC ruling, this is an issue that needs to be front and centre, not hidden away.

If you don't want to read it or prefer to live in a fantasy world where biological women aren't second class citizens, scroll on by.

I've asked mumsnet repeatedly to move threads over to sex and gender, I get wishy washy replies about it.

It would be great if everyone posted appropriately but the trans exclusionaries are fond of saying they want people to see their threads because too many folks hide the feminism board (for obvious reasons)

This, the constant. 'Oh just need a safe space without all the nasty feminists not agreeing that twaw or having opinions....'
Agree, they just want an echo chamber, which they'll get on reddit.
@pikkumyy77 if your daughters aren't on reddit they'll love it, absolutely an anti-mn, jkr hating, echo chamber of how everything is 'wimmin fault, and how the trans wimmin better anyway'....

Why are people so incapable of clicking off a thread they don't like. That's why MNHQ have to have a cull of all the disparate boards that people ask for, because people seem unable to have agency and say to themselves "this thread isn't for me" and leave it. It really isn't complicated!

as for the unicorn "safe space", it's called get off your phone / tablet and stop getting sucked into online drivel!

There’s two lgbtq boards to support one for adults one for children. If they are overwhelmed then there may be a need for a sub category. Then there’s the seperate feminist chat for women who want to complain about trans women because the main feminist chat didn’t want to be overloaded with one subject.

people need to use the right boards instead of just using AIBU and chat.

Human rights and women’s rights are not a zero sum game!
It seems that's exactly what the currently tantrumming TRAs think human rights are though, or clarifying women's rights wouldn't have them in a huff and claiming they have lost their rights.