Probably been said before, but an area just for Trans issues?

[DucklingSwimmingInstructress]

Could there be an area just for trans issues please?

Whatever one thinks of it, there are so so many threads on it and with the recent court ruling, at least some of this issue is now going to be decided.

This issue is unfortunately a major societal one now, but the Supreme Court ruling has been made, and the immediate reactions have taken place.

There are so many threads on it. It's taking over and it's hard to escape the conclusion that some of the threads are started, or kept high up on the front pages of various sections, by trans rights activists who are not taking the Supreme Court ruling with grace. It's playing into the hands of people who frankly seem to be posting with their own agenda and it's not always one of goodwill or genuine discourse.

Please could we at least have a section where the multiple, often repeated, threads this issue can go? It's time for that now.

You realise that at the forefront of this has been numerous pissed off gay women who prior to the ruling had all but lost their right to define themselves as being lesbians with other lesbians , gather as lesbians or insist that their dating spaces were lesbian only.

Or are your gay daughters the new fancy types of lesbians that are also willing to have sex with men as long as they self identify as a woman/lesbian?

I suspect if there was a Trans Issues board the people would unhelpfully comment on it like on the Christian Mumsnetters board. I say that as an atheist who watches what goes on there (always a good way to stay informed). I get very bored with other irreligious folk replying in the vein of "Oh well God doesn't exist so it doesn't matter anyway". The same will happen to people exploring trans issues. I support anyone to live how they wish as long they know their sex can't be changed. But we need spaces on here where we can discuss other things around the subject rather than making obvious statements. Then we have the trolls to deal with...

Even if there was a specific area, MNHQ won’t move the threads. I reported a load in AIBU the other day and was told that they were leaving them there.

Agree. The 14 year olds are also rolling their eyes at the self absorbed non-binary 19 year olds. And the 19 year olds are realising it's not so rebellious when 50 year olds are transitioning and coming along to events wanting to be their buddy. Doesn't make it very cool.

A dedicated area would be great, then the rest of us who have other things to worry about could avoid the topic.

Just don't click on it. As I don't click on about 95% of the threads that appear on AIBU or any of the other forums.

The rabid anti trans stance advocated here has led directly to the diminution of female rights and gay rights in the US. We are losing bodily autonomy (abortion)and may lose gay marriage and the right of gay parents to raise their own children. All because a ginned up frenzy against trans people made enough voters choose Trump. Funny! All those wailing over trans people in women’s sports? In the US Trump’s administration will end funding for women’s sports at the collegiate level. Women, non whites, and non Christians are all being swept out of classrooms and history books.

Wow. So much numberwang there (a UK tv reference that you wouldn’t get…) but who knew that all the US Trump voters were ‘directly’ influenced by the feminist boards of the UK’s Mumsnet? 😂

Goodness me, what a wide and often weird set of answers here.

Anyone with any sense at all knew what I meant by the original post. According to some posters I seem to be pro-trans, according to others, anti-trans. If you ever needed a thread to indicate how often people assume things about others and they're wrong, this is it. And how difficult it is for people to actually read the original post.

I think it says something about the nature of the trans movement that this has happened!

At least @Cynicalaboutall actually understood what I was suggesting.

"It will die down" and "Mumsnet would probably not move everything over anyway" seem about the most sensible answers otherwise!

Yep. Those rednecks love a bit of AIBU 🤣🤣🤣

Hi @DucklingSwimmingInstructress. Thanks for your suggestion.
We usually create new boards in response to clear user demand. As others have mentioned, there is already an LGBT Parents board, an LGBT Children board, and a board for sex and gender discussions within the Feminism section.
Just a reminder that you can hide individual threads - or entire topics - if there are conversations you’d prefer not to see.

We’re unlikely to move threads that are responding to major current news stories, as they’re often relevant to broader site-wide discussions.

Thanks again for taking the time to share your thoughts.

Okay, thanks for the answer @BeckyAMumsnet

Yet AGAIN, being pro womens rights to retain our safe female only single sex spaces and sports isn't 'anti-trans', let alone 'rabidly. Unless of course, you are ADMITTING that to be pro-trans = anti-women. Which it is.

Trans overreach has caused hate against gay people. This, is all entirely the fault of the overreach of the trans lobby who are violent at marches and who seek to deny same sex attraction, and who hate women. Trans lobby are destroying LGB rights and womens rights. They are like termites eating away at LGB from the inside.

We are MALE exclusionary. Not 'trans' exclusionary (we're fine with trans men, so are we only 50% 'trans exclusionary'???).

It's like you really, REALLY don't get that this issue is about the battle of the sexes, it's about MALE vs FEMALE. That someone is trans is neither here nor there. The only reason trans is even relevant to the discussion is because males found a loophole to violate womens boundaries and spaces.

Mocking trans activists for wanting an echo chamber is supremely ironic, given that the sex and gender branch is the perfect example of an echo chamber.

An 'echo chamber' which the overwhelming majority of the public agree with. Hence, not very much an echo chamber, just reality. It's like you claiming a belief that the world is round and not flat is an 'echo chamber'.

It's really not.

That’s not what an echo chamber is, though. This is a definition from Oxford Languages: ‘an environment in which a person encounters only beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforced and alternative ideas are not considered’.

This describes FWR well, IME.

Not at all because trans activists are in FWR.

It really is.

I only learned a week or so ago that you can tell who reacted to your posts by clicking on the wee icon and what surprised me most when I checked out a few reactions was that 95% of them were from usernames I had never seen on FWR or otherwhere in MN. There seems to be a large number of people who read and react but don't post, so if FWR is an echo chamber, it's rather larger than it looks, more like an echo mansion.

There is one. Sex and gender discussions.

This issue is unfortunately a major societal one now, but the Supreme Court ruling has been made, and the immediate reactions have taken place.

Yes, it is a major social issues, with important consequences for the sex-based rights of women and girls, and their safety , dignity, and privacy. It is also a major social issue because of the ciolence threatened or acted on towards women who speak up about the issue - death threts, physical atacks, job & freelance work losses.

So why shouldn't it be discussed widely, and through a lot of differing points of view?

Why are you so scared of the issue, and why don't you see how it affects every single woman fundamentally. I don't want a group of men who think they know what it is to be a woman, telling me that I don't know - which is what the trans lobby has been saying.

It’s extraordinarily clear that you have never bothered to look into, listen to or read the arguments of the ‘side’ you think you don’t agree with. I presume you are so sure you are right, you think you don’t need to.

You don’t even realise the British women’s rights movement is largely composed of left wing women, many of whom have decades of experience of left wing activism.

It’s not honourable or honest to form your opinions without thoroughly investigating all sides of the argument. If you only know your side of the argument, you don’t even know your side of the argument.

You’ve clearly never encountered the fights that break out on FWR even between GC women, let alone with TRAs who regularly post there.

It really is this. It’s about the importance of kerping all men out of female only spaces. When males are allowed in for any reason, any man can come in. Their identity doesn’t matter.

TRAs have never answered how you keep men out with bad motivations, when you start allowing men in. The only arguments you here are ‘no man would don a dress just for that reason’ , which ignores the fact that men don’t have to don dresses to get in and gender ideology argues very hard that ‘gender expression does not need to match gender identity and no one’s gender identity should be questioned. The other argument is ‘if a man wants to attack you he will anyway’ which is just an argument to remove all safeguarding for women as we aren’t worth protecting and should accept male violence against us. It also ignores the fact that some men just enjoy the power of making women feel intimidated and vulnerable.