FWR

[MarsScarlet]

FYI: I've name changed for this to avoid a pile-on.

This post is about the overwhelming negativity and hostility with the FWR board that new posters and posters with a differing viewpoint face if they attempt to use the board.

There is a persistent group within the board that are, to put it simply, hateful towards others. Despite posting there on and off for more than 4 years, I have never felt welcome, despite not holding any particular extreme views or being abusive to others. Without exception, I am accused of being another poster, or a man, a TRA, or some kind of paid activist. This occurs again and again until I leave a thread in frustration.

I’ve seen this happen to many other new posters. Few return. Why would they? Such an acidic atmosphere doesn’t encourage healthy discussion. I’d just like to discuss women’s rights, but this board makes discussion impossible.

I’m not exactly sure what the answer is, except for @MNHQ to request the board to tone down the rhetoric a bit and back off on any new names they may see on the board. Let people engage with you rather than actively drive them away.

i agree with you glad you do not.

Sorry, what's your example?

The one where your posts were deleted as you couldn’t stick to guidelines by insulting others.

I'd ask your parents to get a refund from that charm school they sent you to.

For any of that to be “well put” you have to explain how a man can become a woman.

It's funny how posters who disagree with us accuse us of "backslapping" and then they proceed to cheer on anyone who pops up to put us in our place.

An example..

What? That is rude 😂

Why don't you just post a link to the thread, so that people can see what you're talking about as this is not clear at all.

Here’s another.

Not anywhere has anyone told anyone to hate trans people.

Hardly.

I've yet to see anyone really counter those points either. How do you get your way about this without making the lives of already marginalised people, who haven't done anything wrong, even harder than they need to be? Can you accept that not all women perceive the same level of threat as you do? Some of us would like to treat trans women like human beings, not the enemy.

Maybe then people would be more amenable to hearing you out in return. But actually trying to accuse me of doing the same thing you've been gleefully doing for the last several hours isn't an argument that will either wash with me or distract me.

What’s not clear.
It says in the post if you’d read it properly. It goes against the guidelines apparently of quoting previous threads. If it’s not I’d be happy to. There are loads of your posts that have been deleted.

Can you accept that not all women perceive the same level of threat as you do?

People have explained really quite clearly that it's not just about the threat male people pose to women and girls, it's about basic privacy and dignity for women and girls. That isn't just something you can handwave away, sorry.

isn't an argument that will either wash with me or distract me.

I don't care in the slightest either way. Hope that's clear.

Not all women perceive trans women as a threat. But men are the more problematic sex class and until that changes sex based spaces exist for a reason.

I don’t perceive all men as a threat or as the enemy. I know plenty of lovely men, my partner included. I don’t think any of them should be able to go into such spaces if they woke up feeling like they had a different identity (which still can’t be defined). Despite me not feeling this threat and my assurances that such men would never be a threat, I can understand why other women may not like their presence due to their own shitty experiences at the hands of other men. And that I respect. Their feelings don’t come second to men.

In the 6 years I have been here I on one occasion in thousands of posts, took the bait of a troll I believe has been permanently deleted now.

After their continual lies and falsifications of my posts I called that out and pointed out what was manifestly true...that they were either unable to read correctly, or they were deliberately lying about my posts.

My position was accurate, and truthful, but yes, apparently considered rude by someone or other 😊

Their feelings don’t come second to men.

That's really all that needs to be said, threadsters.

The irony. This is an example of robust debate? Where's the debate?

I thought you were busting with big facts to educate us?

Ha yeah, that’s not what happened 😂.

Going straight for the ad hominems right now is a massive own goal.

I'm not sure where posters got the impression that I'm eager to indulge their poor arguments about women's rights. Not interested.

Don't make me tap the sign @PeopleLikeColdplay

Haha I don't think I need say any more. I'll let the posts speak for themselves!

Happy to. I'm very confident lurkers see exactly what's going on in this thread.

I’d say equating posters who have given valid concerns about women losing the right to
single sex spaces and sports, and the reasons why. because of this thing called identity no one can articulate as the same as telling you to hate all trans people was an even bigger own goal but hey ho.

Comprehension skills have differed massively on this thread.