LGBT children board title

[ArabellaScott]

Given that the Cass Review says social transitioning is not a neutral act, and refers to 'gender incongruent' or 'gender questioning' children, the use of 'trans children' looks startlingly out of date and incorrect on Mumsnet.

The board should be renamed 'LGB and gender questioning children' to better reflect best practice.

The new school guidelines likewise use 'gender incongruent' and 'gender questioning' and not ever 'trans' when referring to children.

Totally disagree and think it's a horrible suggestion coming from a horrible world view which fundamentally wants trans people to live in misery.

But on the other hand, the 'LGBT children' board is basically just a way for MN to pretend to be less insanely transphobic so maybe it should be renamed just to remove that figleaf of respectability.

Ad hom attacks are always illuminating.

Trans needs to be in the title somewhere, that's what people will search for.

Also when someone posts about their child being trans they will be met with "actually, its gender non confirming" by the people who go on the board just to dismiss what parents are going through rather than support them.

Interesting that safeguarding children = wanting Trans people to live in misery for some people

I think being factually correct is supporting someone. You can do both.

@DadJoke "This is not remotely true. No LGBT person thinks if your gender expression is not traditional, you must be trans."

I think that really is stretching it, and does not reflect my DD's experience. She is, as I said above, frequently assumed to be trans because she is a young lesbian who presents in what some consider gender non-conforming ways; tracksuits and skate-wear. This, despite make-up, lashes, jewellery and 'girl' hair. She calls it 'trans-baiting': being presumed trans, 'called out' as closet-trans or coaxed to 'admit' to being trans ‐all by young people, predominantly gender-questioning, in LGBT spaces.

I think your voice is important too, those of us whose DC are either LGB or gender-questioning often need support and this is a good opportunity to assess what that support might look like.

I agree with ArabellaScott. Remove the word trans and replace it with gender questioning.
Or have two separate boards, LGB and gender questioning.

If you read a post from a struggling parent and choose to correct their language rather than offer advice and think that's being supportive, then you're sadly mistaken.

Also when someone posts about their child being trans they will be met with "actually, its gender non confirming"

I think this is an unfair categorisation of most of the input on these threads from gender critical parents. Some of them have experienced their own child going through this.

I agree with the name change.

By the same token, genderists sometimes post on threads where the parent has used the sex based pronouns and terms for their child who is claiming to have a "trans" identity, "correcting" them.

That's not unfair at all.

It will 100% happen.

A parent will say "my child is trans" and they will be 'corrected', @AccidentallyWesAnderson has already said that correcting a struggling parents language is supportive.

The title should definitely be changed to keep up with current knowledge around safeguarding.

It also seems very sensible to split the board, as parents of lgb children face very different issues to parents of gender questioning children.

I agree with this suggestion, it is in line with current advice

LGB and gender questioning children'

Sorry I'm autistic i don't mean to be rude.

Why does "society" group sexual preference with trans anyway?

Ah started to read the comments 👍🏻

A parent will say "my child is trans" and they will be 'corrected'

And people will say things like "my son has said he wants to be a girl" and they will be corrected to "daughter" and "she/her" by people who subscribe to gender identity ideology.

So similarly @InformerYaNoSayDaddyMeSnowMeIGoBlameALickyBoom that's not very supportive either is it?

Agree because I think parents with children who are lesbian or gay need their own space. And trans should be changed to gender questioning, as a matter of best practice. Both boards could show a link to each other.

as for people who google the new term gender questioning seems to me to be appearing in all manner of media outlets. Parents who seek advice about gender questioning, will be newer to the issue now, and I think the term does not assert a particular position, it seems more neutral to me.

Let's not pretend that doesn't happen both ways, someone will say "My daughter" and the critical will keep using son/he/him before being hounded about what toilet the kid uses when they have asked advice on something completely different.

People will google "my child is trans" or similar and not be directed here, they will be directed to the likes of Mermaids.

There's no harm in separating the boards out and calling it Trans and gender non conforming children or similar. By taking the 'Trans' away you're taking away a potential valuable resource for people who don't know MN.

Let's not pretend that doesn't happen both ways, someone will say "My daughter" and the critical will keep using son/he/him before being hounded about what toilet the kid uses when they have asked advice on something completely different.

I'm not "pretending". Glad you acknowledge it is both ways.

I strongly support the OP’s suggestion.

There's no harm in separating the boards out and calling it Trans and gender non conforming children or similar. By taking the 'Trans' away you're taking away a potential valuable resource for people who don't know MN.

Yes, I agree with this.

I support the OP’s suggestion. There should be an option to add polls on these kinds of threads, I wonder why there isn’t?

That's not what AccidentallyWesAnderson said. They said that being factually correct is supportive.