LGBT children board title

[ArabellaScott]

Given that the Cass Review says social transitioning is not a neutral act, and refers to 'gender incongruent' or 'gender questioning' children, the use of 'trans children' looks startlingly out of date and incorrect on Mumsnet.

The board should be renamed 'LGB and gender questioning children' to better reflect best practice.

The new school guidelines likewise use 'gender incongruent' and 'gender questioning' and not ever 'trans' when referring to children.

I also agree this is a good idea.

That's the aim. They don't want anything that supports those children, or supports any parents who support their children.

@ReadWithScepticism this is a change coming from and driven by gender critical people. It’s overtly political and will stop the people most likely to want to post from posting. The number of people with trans and GNC children on this board is tiny and absolutely dwarfed by the GNC contingent, so I hope it’s not a popularity contest.

Putting them together in the first place was the political, manipulative statement!

That's the aim. They don't want anything that supports those children, or supports any parents who support their children.

Is a stupid and incorrect assertion @BarbaraHoward. Having their own board is much fairer on those whose children might be gender questioning.

And how dare you say that I (or anyone else) doesn't care about those children? On what basis do you make that offensive statement?

Being LGB is about which biological sex you’re attracted to - not gender.

Being T is about which gender you identify as - not biological sex.

They’re complete opposites.

I think above all the board needs to be user-friendly to parents, so it's definitely better to use use the term 'trans' because that's what would they'd google. Removing that word would also remove a useful source of advice and I don't think anyone would want that when the alternatives are things like mermaids etc. Adding 'gender-questioning' is a good idea but I wouldn't remove 'trans'.

I also think it's a ridiculous idea to consult trans adults as that is not the point of the board. Sometimes opinions aren't needed, you know? Stick to the relevant group ie parents, the clue is in the name.

As a parent of an LGB child, I agree this should be two boards. The two shouldn’t be conflated and have unique needs.

I agree with Arabella. Calling children ' trans' fixes them in an identity they may wish to move away from as they grow It becomes harder to drop this identity if it is fixed as ' trans'. Gender incongruent or questioning is a much more accurate term that gives children more room to explore and develop.

That is a statement coming from your own misunderstanding or maybe even from your own prejudice.

I agree OP but also think maybe a better idea might be to have "gender questioning/non conforming" as separate to LGB.

A separation of boards would be welcome.

As a parent of a DD who very neatly fits the profile of the 'autistic same-sex attracted girl' overrepresented in the numbers seeking referrals to gender identity clinics, I am alarmed at the insistence on merging sexual orientation with gender identity. It is really unhelpful.

DD, quite at ease with being a young lesbian, is frequently assumed to be gender-questioning to boot, and she finds this so irritating as to her, a fondness for tracksuits and skate-wear is not an expression of anything remotely related to gender.

Gender-ideology inserts itself in contexts where it is not relevant or called for. Separate boards would be very supportive of parents, and by extension, their children.

This is incorrect.

Lumping everyone into LGBT was done to carry on the funding, not to ensure appropriate support when they added the T to their charity objectives. It was all about increasing their income, nothing to do with ensuring proper support.

The OP is right. As the UK has now investigated the situation and Cass recommends NOT social transitioning kids, the term Trans should not be applied to under 18s at all.

Some research suggests that most gender-questioning children are in fact gay. So I think it makes sense to keep the two together for that reason.

Well no, the term ' trans' was political to fix children in a permanent trans identity. It was created to reflect the belief that we all have a gender identity which can be separate from sex, and which is fixed and which we can all discover and reflects our ' authentic selves'. In reality, gender incongruence/ confusion in children has many different causes, not one, and is a temporary stage for most children, which disappears as they go through puberty.

That's an odd argument considering the plethora of T groups that exist.

Why do T groups get a free pass but not LGB groups?

As someone who does not being that there is such a thing as a "Trans child" I would agree that the Board title should be changed.
I would be concerned about the SEO though as it might prevent Parents who need help from finding it

I agree that the LGB and "T" children's board need to be separated.

I agree that the name needs to be changed and can understand arguments for and against separating it into two boards. On balance, I think two boards would be best.

I'm not a parent but I am involved in safeguarding children and young people.

Back in the late 80s? It was political for sure, and is accepted by the vast majority of lesbian and gay people, as well as trans people.At least you are being honest and saying this isn’t really about children.

There is a reason why LGBT Pride has tens of thousands of marchers.

The only people who want to change it now are people who want to make it redundant.

Anyway, based on thanks I think people who oppose the change are too shy to post and I am
out.

Well, if someone is too shy to post, then clearly they don't want their opinions to be taken into account, do they?!

The reason to change the term from 'trans children' to 'gender questioning' children is entirely reflective of what expert best practise recommends as the best way to.support children. It is in their best interests not to push them into an identity or a label.

I agree that the two topics should be separated, as sexuality and gender identity are entirely different things, and their approach to biology is in direct opposition to each other. Being gay has no relationship to gender identity so I don’t see any reason why a gay child should have to think about those issues too, at the time they are working out their sexuality.

Back in the late 80s?

They were not considered together in the late 80s by the vast majority of U.K. society. I went to a big, progressive university in the mid to late 90s and we had a LGBsoc and they had only recently added the B. Transsexuality wasn't a thing among young people then, that's a much more recent development. Gender non conforming people were just that, they didn't need a special label referring to their "gender".

Fwiw it shouldn't just be about numbers supporting either, but a consideration of the applicable ethics and best practise.

I'd imagine MN should give more weight to NHS advice and government guidance than anonymous Internet posters, although of course site users need a say, too.