Why aren’t you banning the far-right agitators?

[GoldMedallist]

Deleting their posts but allowing them to keep inciting racial hatred under the same accounts is making the site unusable. Why should we keep reporting them if you’re not going to do anything meaningful about it?

The Imam from the Abdullah Quilliam Mosque in Liverpool reached out to the rioters with an offer of food and talks, not sure if many took up the offer, but it's there.

The EDL is closer to Isis because they are launching attacks on British soil against UK civilians for some amorphous "cause" that the majority want nothing to do with.

Hamas is a false equivalence. And I find bringing up Gaza in this context completely disgusting and I'm not engaging with it.

Indeed - considering how long it took him to be elected as an MP he doesn't seem particularly committed to it so far

Plus Farage has had a voice in the UK media for years and years eg frequent appearances on BBC

It's an entirely false grievance

Why do you only care about British soil? You only find it ‘disgusting’ because you can’t answer and will now neatly dodge.

Either you disagree with negotiating with violent extremist groups or you don’t. It’s an absolutist principle and shouldn’t depend on your own personal leanings. That’s not how diplomacy and negotiation works.

As I suspected this is much more about individuals posturing than actually caring about peace.

I honestly can't take any posters seriously that consider Brexit (a free and fair democratic vote that 52% of people voted for) to be 'far right'.

Idiotic claims that they're being 'held hostage' by the 'far right' because people expected their democratic decision to be implemented.

🙄

If Brexit is considered to be far right, how can you expect Mumsnet to take you seriously or to act upon your (presumably complete nonsense) thread and post reporting?

You think the UK should negotiate with Putin over Ukraine?

The UK isn’t at war with Russia. Zelensky can if he sees fit. But I think somebody advocating for one violent extremist group to be considered and negotiated with are on very shaky ground if they say another shouldn’t be (arguably setting fire to a police station isn’t as bad as raping/murdering people and parading their bodies through the streets). I’m very much in favour of ceasefire and an end to the occupation of Gaza, but I like to think I see things in a nuanced and objective way.

We also aren’t at war with Hamas.

The people rioting are not necessarily open to debate and who do you debate with? From what I see on local Facebook groups they are not quite sure what they are protesting about. The majority of immigrants are here legally and did not come via ‘the boats’ but are treated the same. When challenged you are accused of believing MSM and told to educate yourself yet they don’t provide links. It’s the same method used during Brexit, by Covid deniers and anti vaccine campaigners.

I know very well we are not at war with Hamas.

I’m very obviously (to anyone with critical thinking skills) making the point that the same people who want ‘zero tolerance, no debate’ with EDL thugs are the same people who would encourage negotiation and compromise with Hamas - whose tactics are arguably much worse and involve rape and murder.

People also say ‘Hamas don’t know what they want’ and they reject ceasefires, compromise etc. Yet the likes of Corbyn even calls them ‘friends’ and encouraged dialogue between them and the Israeli government.

I would like to see the same posters who say there should be zero debate with the EDL say the same about Hamas, to show their consistency. They won’t - because like the far right they’re very choosy and selective about who they call terrorists and it mainly depends on their own personal feelings about race and politics.

Hang on, are you suggesting some posters on here support Hamas? That is a very serious accusation that you need to be able to prove.

Isn't negotation what you want?

There's a whole section of MN where you can discuss all this ad nauseam

Name-calling, accusing PP of being Hamas/Corbyn sympathisers, de-railing etc is almost de rigeur

This thread is about something different

Absolutely.

This poster is determined to derail.

I've reported their posts as inflammatory and I believe they also break MN guidelines for personal attacks.

Just like it’s ‘de rigeur’ to call anyone who doesn’t parrot what you say 100% a fascist, Nazi or Tommy Robinson-lover.

I'm ignoring you from now on

Maybe MNHQ have called in reinforcements to clear the back-log - just received 2 emails one of which is in response to a post reported more than 24 hours ago

Hope so

NYT article from today. These people must be far right racists right?

www.nytimes.com/2024/08/03/nyregion/migrant-shelter-brooklyn-killings.html

If you don’t have a subscription:

https://archive.ph/3Y8WS

They may have legitimate concerns. It is also possible there may be racism driving some of those concerns.

The article doesn't mention that the protests are being orchestrated nationally by far right groups and known far right agitators as is happening here in the UK right now, does it? So whether or not the protesters have far right views is impossible to tell without speaking to them individually.

Eta: the article does say that "Republicans have used some of those cases to stoke fears about a so-called migrant crime wave besieging the country".

But they hold far right views right?
Their protests are peaceful, but it’s far right sentiments they are expressing aren’t they?

Which far right sentiments do you think they are expressing?

I read an interesting theory somewhere. These disturbances/riots were planned in advance thinking an autumn election was on the cards.

As a result of that, Farage would say he could fix it, thereby getting more votes than he and Reform did.

But.... he and the far right numbskulls have now shot themselves in the foot, because people are incensed about this behaviour. Brendan Cox (Jo Cox's husband) had it right... he is Tommy Robinson in a suit.

Well in the article they accuse the a vulnerable group of immigrants of causing crime, making the area unsafe, making the streets strewn with litter etc . They are targeting them because of their race and immigration status.

So you don’t think that’s a right wing trope, to accuse new comers to the area for causing crime and making the area unsafe, particularly for women?

You dont think that its a far right opinion to express that they dont want any more immigrants in the area and that they should reduce the number living in the area from 4000 to 400?

Seems pretty right wing to me

@Efacsen

"There's a whole section of MN where you can discuss all this ad nauseam

Name-calling, accusing PP of being Hamas/Corbyn sympathisers, de-railing etc is almost de rigeur

This thread is about something different"

Actually it is relevant to this thread by calling out the hypocrisy of the left of being very selective about who they describe as mindless thugs and who they describe as justified protesters.

It is also a tiresome left wing approach to dismiss pointing out such hypocrisy and double standards as whataboutery or de railing.

The inability to look at topics from the other sides point of view rather than dismiss / insult them as thick, racist male or white simply polarises and entrenches opinions even further.

Thank you for setting all those things out clearly.

These protestors are peaceful. While I might not agree with them and might find some of their views intolerable and racist, they have a right to protest.

Are they far right? Well, they don't seem to be mindless far right thugs who actively wish violence on anyone not like them and who are burning buildings, attacking police and hijacking a tragedy in order to commit violence.

Eta: I think what I am trying to say is not all racists and xenophobes are far right. But all of the far right are racists and xenophobes. If that makes sense. Maybe it doesn't.