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Why do you allow people to attack and ridicule Christianity?

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Singersong · 18/07/2024 06:45

Time and time again I see people taking the absolute piss out of Christianity. Calling people delusional and saying it's made up bullshit etc. why do you allow this? I don't see this about any other religion.

It goes far beyond atheism and you claim to be against hate speech.

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Soitis83 · 22/07/2024 07:13

Werweisswohin · 22/07/2024 07:09

No, I don't have faith in any man made book or gods.
Why would I?

Science books are man made

RampantIvy · 22/07/2024 07:18

All books are man made.

Werweisswohin · 22/07/2024 07:52

Soitis83 · 22/07/2024 07:13

Science books are man made

Nobody is suggesting a science book is the divinre words of a god though.

Werweisswohin · 22/07/2024 07:53

RampantIvy · 22/07/2024 07:18

All books are man made.

Indeed.
But the bible, quran etc on are the only man made books which are apparently also the only divine word of a god.

BarHumbugs · 22/07/2024 07:59

Soitis83 · 22/07/2024 07:13

Science books are man made

Science books do not require faith, all the information in them is verifiable.

Soitis83 · 22/07/2024 08:01

BarHumbugs · 22/07/2024 07:59

Science books do not require faith, all the information in them is verifiable.

Well of course they do. Faith in what they're saying is correct. The Bible is also verifiable in so many aspects.

Werweisswohin · 22/07/2024 08:05

Soitis83 · 22/07/2024 08:01

Well of course they do. Faith in what they're saying is correct. The Bible is also verifiable in so many aspects.

Science books are based on factual information, correct at the time of printing. They may be updated or modified with new information, and thus date of publication and author(s) credentials must also be considered. Scientific papers have more up to date and novel information. Science encourages us to question.

A religious text may have some historical accuracies which (might) make it a historical text. It's a big step to then say it's the divine word of a god however. A big step and a dangerous step. Religion encourages us to blindly accept.

Actively studying science books help me become a scientist.
Actively studying the bible helped me reject it as anything more than stories with some historical accuracy (perhaps).

CurlewKate · 22/07/2024 08:19

@Soitis83 "Well of course they do. Faith in what they're saying is correct. The Bible is also verifiable in so many aspects."

No, you don't have to have faith in science. The point of science it is evidence based. If more evidence emerges then science changes. No faith required.

The Bible contains some verifiable geographical and historical fact. Nothing else verifiable.

BarHumbugs · 22/07/2024 08:27

Soitis83 · 22/07/2024 08:01

Well of course they do. Faith in what they're saying is correct. The Bible is also verifiable in so many aspects.

Not at all! Scientific experiments have to be repeatable and have the same results for them to be accepted and published as fact, no faith is required. There is very little of the bible that is verifiable and the bits that are usually have been found to be wrong.

Limesodaagain · 22/07/2024 09:18

BarHumbugs · 22/07/2024 08:27

Not at all! Scientific experiments have to be repeatable and have the same results for them to be accepted and published as fact, no faith is required. There is very little of the bible that is verifiable and the bits that are usually have been found to be wrong.

There is value in poetry, literature . Not everything has to be “verifiable “ in a scientific way.
Many religious people do not take the Bible literally ( the earth was made in 7 days etc) but think the Bible is a poetic expression that conveys a different kind of truth.

Werweisswohin · 22/07/2024 09:59

Limesodaagain · 22/07/2024 09:18

There is value in poetry, literature . Not everything has to be “verifiable “ in a scientific way.
Many religious people do not take the Bible literally ( the earth was made in 7 days etc) but think the Bible is a poetic expression that conveys a different kind of truth.

Except nobody has said anything about value.
The bible is not a different form of truth, it's a work of fiction.

Limesodaagain · 22/07/2024 10:03

Werweisswohin · 22/07/2024 09:59

Except nobody has said anything about value.
The bible is not a different form of truth, it's a work of fiction.

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Fiction can be of value .

Werweisswohin · 22/07/2024 10:04

Limesodaagain · 22/07/2024 10:03

Fiction can be of value .

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It didn't need bringing up. Nobody was suggesting fiction isn't of value.

Limesodaagain · 22/07/2024 10:07

Werweisswohin · 22/07/2024 10:04

It didn't need bringing up. Nobody was suggesting fiction isn't of value.

You don’t seem to place any value on the Bible so I brought it up? You seem determined to control even the words used . I’m not trying to evangelise here … but you seem determined to prove you are right .
Sometimes it’s good to agree to disagree…

poshsnobtwit · 22/07/2024 10:19

I haven't RTFT but there was a thread in the religion/spirituality board recently where a christian was asking for a christian perspective on something and the level of mockery and disrespect from people (claiming to be athiests) was very shocking.

CurlewKate · 22/07/2024 10:31

@Limesodaagain "There is value in poetry, literature . Not everything has to be “verifiable “ in a scientific way.
Many religious people do not take the Bible literally ( the earth was made in 7 days etc) but think the Bible is a poetic expression that conveys a different kind of truth."

I think @BarHumbugs and I were responding specifically to @Soitis83 post about the Bible being verifiable and science needing faith.

CurlewKate · 22/07/2024 10:46

@poshsnobtwit Can you link to that thread, please?

poshsnobtwit · 22/07/2024 10:49

@CurlewKate can't link now on phone but it was called something along lines of 'limits on sexual practice' and the OP was specifically asking if anal sex was allowed within a marriage, from a biblical perspective.

Edited: Sexual ethics in a christian marriage

BarHumbugs · 22/07/2024 10:53

Limesodaagain · 22/07/2024 09:18

There is value in poetry, literature . Not everything has to be “verifiable “ in a scientific way.
Many religious people do not take the Bible literally ( the earth was made in 7 days etc) but think the Bible is a poetic expression that conveys a different kind of truth.

I was not disputing that, I was disputing the verifiability of the contents of the bible that the pp had claimed. The value of the bible never came up.

As everyone interprets the bible differently and uses it to back up whatever their personal position happens to be, the value of it is clearly very dubious, and calling it a different kind of truth sounds very much like the term alternative facts and we all know what that really means.

Limesodaagain · 22/07/2024 10:59

BarHumbugs · 22/07/2024 10:53

I was not disputing that, I was disputing the verifiability of the contents of the bible that the pp had claimed. The value of the bible never came up.

As everyone interprets the bible differently and uses it to back up whatever their personal position happens to be, the value of it is clearly very dubious, and calling it a different kind of truth sounds very much like the term alternative facts and we all know what that really means.

Yes - it’s absolutely true that different people interpret the Bible differently.
By “different kind of truth “ I was referring to poetic / metaphorical language that is not “literal” but is nonetheless not “untrue” .
You cant read the Bible in the same way you read a scientific book . I think we agree on that.

BiscuityBoyle · 22/07/2024 11:01

poshsnobtwit · 22/07/2024 10:49

@CurlewKate can't link now on phone but it was called something along lines of 'limits on sexual practice' and the OP was specifically asking if anal sex was allowed within a marriage, from a biblical perspective.

Edited: Sexual ethics in a christian marriage

Edited

In fairness ‘does Jesus mind if I have bum sex’ is quite funny.

Limesodaagain · 22/07/2024 11:01

I’m not trying to persuade anyone that the Bible is the word of God.
Im just saying that comparing it to a scientific paper is missing the point. It’s not that type of text. It’s more akin to poetry .

BarHumbugs · 22/07/2024 11:15

I wasn't the one who compared the bible to science books and I never said it had no value, putting words into people's mouths is a big reason why things turn nasty.

Marblessolveeverything · 22/07/2024 11:27

Yet again today in my country another horrific abuse story has broken. The most horrific part is the organisations comprising of so called religious people who ensured it stayed hidden. How on earth they can look themselves in the mirror is beyond me.

They managed this until now due to their unchecked access and control of our society. This can not be tolerated in our society. Religion has a place, it is below the law and societal need.

Limesodaagain · 22/07/2024 11:30

BarHumbugs · 22/07/2024 11:15

I wasn't the one who compared the bible to science books and I never said it had no value, putting words into people's mouths is a big reason why things turn nasty.

I didn’t think I had put words in anyone’s mouth. Apologies if that’s how it came across. I was just putting across another perspective.