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Why do you allow people to attack and ridicule Christianity?

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Singersong · 18/07/2024 06:45

Time and time again I see people taking the absolute piss out of Christianity. Calling people delusional and saying it's made up bullshit etc. why do you allow this? I don't see this about any other religion.

It goes far beyond atheism and you claim to be against hate speech.

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Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 10:21

RampantIvy · 21/07/2024 10:07

@Werweisswohin I wouldn't be as blunt as you. I would just say that I don't share their views. Maybe that is why I don't get "rampant Christians" proselytizing because a polite but assertive answer always seems to send them on their way.

I think telling someone they are delusional is rude. Many people who "say it just how it is" are just downright rude. We will have to agree to disagree on this.

....and so it goes on....perhaps just read mine and other previous comments.

Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 11:12

Limesodaagain · 21/07/2024 10:08

It was Banshees of EdSheeran who called someone an idiot but that has now been deleted by MN.
Im not sure why swearing bothers you so much when you’re an advocate of free speech. But you’re right- it’s no more conducive to civilised discussion than mockery is .

It doesn't bother me but it reveals an interesting side to your way of debating. You did also mention another poster's 'idiocy'. 😬 Also, again, questiona aren't mockery.

leeverarch · 21/07/2024 11:18

CurlewKate · 20/07/2024 17:08

@leeverarch "Oh I think you'll find that some believers frequently do insist that theirs is the truth, and non-believers & believers of other faiths are heretics (or worse). Perhaps not necessarily on MN, but in the wider world, yes."

Yes they do. But they don't have a third more choice of state funded schools for example. I don't mind being called a heretic.

I think the point the OP is making is that people are rightly brought to account for (eg) Islamophobia or anti-Semitism on threads, yet insulting the believers of another faith is deemed to be just fine.

Either we all respect one another's beliefs (or absence of belief) or we don't. It is blatantly unfair and discriminatory to have one set of rules for what is acceptable regarding some religions, and another set of rules for Christianity.

Rebusa · 21/07/2024 11:46

Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 09:00

I don't go about randomly telling people they're delusional, that would be ridiculous and pointless, but if it comes up in conversation I'm as entitled to a view as the next person. 😬

I'm much more at peace and happy living without any man made belief system. I'm honest with myself. I solve problems or learn how to live with them, depending on the individual issue(s). I don't have to worship any being or be saved from sin because I also believe sin is a man made concept that none of us need saving from.

Escaping from religion has brought me a new sense of life and freedom - looking back I see how I was preyed on when vulnerable, and if me speaking out stops that happening to any more vulnerable people then that's only a good thing.

I don’t see how it would just “come up” in conversation for someone to mock my belief is or tell me I’m delusional if I say to someone , for instance -“ I had a lovely prayer & Bible meditation walk this morning and feel full of peace and calm and I’ve received clarity in a situation I was struggling with ”

So “speaking out” against my sense of freedom, and happiness and clarity that I’ve found through my faith by calling it “delusional” would not be helpful, kind or necessary.

I can see it maybe coming up in conversation perhaps if I asked someone something like “what’s your view of or belief in God?” Or “ What do you think of my faith in God?”

But then I don’t call my atheist or agnostic friends stupid or delusional or mock them. And they don’t do that to me. But yet we’ve had debates.

Honestly (and I’ve called some Christians out for this too) aggressively mocking others for their faith or lack thereof is a fast way to make them switch off. I don’t see what purpose it serves other than trying to put someone down and make yourself feel better about your own belief or lifestyle.

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 21/07/2024 11:46

Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 06:21

That's just an elaborate story, like all the other stories about mythical gods - what makes you think your version of a god is more real than any other version?

Edited

Thank you for making me smile. I have many a conversation with people who have made the same statement. That's fine, your statement is your stance and I am not going to try and convince you otherwise. This thread was asking about the OP's perception of unfairness and inequality around religion. It was not to prove or disprove what you state is an elaborate story - that is a different topic for different thread.

Rebusa · 21/07/2024 11:47

leeverarch · 21/07/2024 11:18

I think the point the OP is making is that people are rightly brought to account for (eg) Islamophobia or anti-Semitism on threads, yet insulting the believers of another faith is deemed to be just fine.

Either we all respect one another's beliefs (or absence of belief) or we don't. It is blatantly unfair and discriminatory to have one set of rules for what is acceptable regarding some religions, and another set of rules for Christianity.

I disagree though. Some threads are rife with Islamophobia and the comments are
not removed. And I’m saying this as a Christian.

Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 11:56

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 21/07/2024 11:46

Thank you for making me smile. I have many a conversation with people who have made the same statement. That's fine, your statement is your stance and I am not going to try and convince you otherwise. This thread was asking about the OP's perception of unfairness and inequality around religion. It was not to prove or disprove what you state is an elaborate story - that is a different topic for different thread.

Nice dodge.
Believe what you like, just don't try ti exempt it from questioning.

Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 11:58

Rebusa · 21/07/2024 11:47

I disagree though. Some threads are rife with Islamophobia and the comments are
not removed. And I’m saying this as a Christian.

Questioning the concepts of islam isn't phobic, not respecting a person's right to follow islam is phobic.

Buddysbunda · 21/07/2024 12:02

I think it can be a difficult one. I'm in Ireland and there are a lot of people here still trying to heal from the harm caused by organised religion. There is a lot of anger and hurt directed towards the church. My best friend was adopted from a mother and baby home, my dhs uncle was abused in an industrial school, I had a really awful experience caused by the archaic abortion laws we had, all of these are because of organised religion.

There is generational trauma and some people will lash out because of that. I've mellowed a bit with age but I would be lying if I said I could ever understand why people continue to support the Catholic Church. I do view organised religion with suspicion, I never iniate conversations around religion though and would keep my trap shut unless asked. I think there does need to be a level of understanding though that works both ways, great for you if religion has been kind to you but understand that religion has in the past and continues to actively harm people, those hurt people are everywhere and sometimes it just isn't possible for them to act with the grace you might like them to.

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 21/07/2024 12:27

CurlewKate · 18/07/2024 06:55

If members of other religions posted on here expecting special consideration and privileges in the society I am a manner of, I would be quick to challenge them too.

There is a board for Muslim Mumsnetters and a board for Jewish Mumsnetters. AFAIK, nobody has ever posted on those boards to say they are all delusion - nor should they, imho. Is that 'special consideration'? There is no board for Christian Mumsnetters (not that I'm calling for one), but try starting a thread just for Christians to share their faith and there is very soon a predictable pile-on. 😆 So yes, it could be argued there is special consideration for some and not for others.

Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 12:33

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 21/07/2024 12:27

There is a board for Muslim Mumsnetters and a board for Jewish Mumsnetters. AFAIK, nobody has ever posted on those boards to say they are all delusion - nor should they, imho. Is that 'special consideration'? There is no board for Christian Mumsnetters (not that I'm calling for one), but try starting a thread just for Christians to share their faith and there is very soon a predictable pile-on. 😆 So yes, it could be argued there is special consideration for some and not for others.

Ask MN for a board then?
Us heathen will leave you to it. 😬

CurlewKate · 21/07/2024 12:35

@Thegreatestoftheseislove

I didn't realise that there were seperate boards for Jewish and Muslim Mumsnetters. Why don't you ask for a Christian one?

Incidentally- when I said "special consideration" I meant (I think I said) in society at large, not on Mumsnet specifically.

BiscuityBoyle · 21/07/2024 12:39

I think the reason that Christianity is the faith that gets commented on the most is because it’s the one that most of us have the most experience of. As an atheist or person of a faith other than Christianity you will have been involved in Christmas celebrations, like a works Christmas party, or shared Easter eggs. I know people of non Christian faiths who put up Christmas trees because it’s what they’ve grown up with.
For most people Christmas and Easter have bugger all to do with Christianity. But it means that they have an understanding of Christian culture.

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 21/07/2024 12:50

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This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines. Previously banned poster.

😂

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 21/07/2024 12:53

@Werweisswohin and @CurlewKate Thank you for your suggestions. I did say in my post that I am not calling for one. I don't feel the need. If I did I would have already done so. 🙂

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 21/07/2024 12:59

HowardTJMoon · 18/07/2024 10:58

Here's a fun thing - in England, Scotland and Northern Ireland blasphemy is still against the law. But only if you blaspheme against Christianity.

Really? You may want to check your facts on that one. However, and that aside, I would challenge you (not really!!!) to blaspheme against a certain prophet and you will be fearing far more than a knock at your door from the local Bobby.

Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 13:00

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 21/07/2024 12:53

@Werweisswohin and @CurlewKate Thank you for your suggestions. I did say in my post that I am not calling for one. I don't feel the need. If I did I would have already done so. 🙂

In that case you cannot expect not to face differences of opinion on the main boards.

Limesodaagain · 21/07/2024 13:11

Buddysbunda · 21/07/2024 12:02

I think it can be a difficult one. I'm in Ireland and there are a lot of people here still trying to heal from the harm caused by organised religion. There is a lot of anger and hurt directed towards the church. My best friend was adopted from a mother and baby home, my dhs uncle was abused in an industrial school, I had a really awful experience caused by the archaic abortion laws we had, all of these are because of organised religion.

There is generational trauma and some people will lash out because of that. I've mellowed a bit with age but I would be lying if I said I could ever understand why people continue to support the Catholic Church. I do view organised religion with suspicion, I never iniate conversations around religion though and would keep my trap shut unless asked. I think there does need to be a level of understanding though that works both ways, great for you if religion has been kind to you but understand that religion has in the past and continues to actively harm people, those hurt people are everywhere and sometimes it just isn't possible for them to act with the grace you might like them to.

“I think there does need to be a level of understanding though that works both ways, great for you if religion has been kind to you but understand that religion has in the past and continues to actively harm people, those hurt people are everywhere and sometimes it just isn't possible for them to act with the grace you might like them to.“
This is very well put .

Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 13:23

Limesodaagain · 21/07/2024 13:11

“I think there does need to be a level of understanding though that works both ways, great for you if religion has been kind to you but understand that religion has in the past and continues to actively harm people, those hurt people are everywhere and sometimes it just isn't possible for them to act with the grace you might like them to.“
This is very well put .

I agree.
Much better than swearing at people and then trying to edit it out.

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 21/07/2024 13:30

Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 11:56

Nice dodge.
Believe what you like, just don't try ti exempt it from questioning.

😂

Limesodaagain · 21/07/2024 13:33

Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 13:23

I agree.
Much better than swearing at people and then trying to edit it out.

What’s so wrong with swearing on mumsnet?
And what’s wrong with having second thoughts and editing a post?
Let it go …. 😆

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 21/07/2024 13:34

Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 13:00

In that case you cannot expect not to face differences of opinion on the main boards.

Eh? I merely made an observation. I think maybe you're wanting to see an argument where there wasn't one.🙂

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 21/07/2024 13:58

Werweisswohin · 21/07/2024 11:56

Nice dodge.
Believe what you like, just don't try ti exempt it from questioning.

"Nice dodge" in response to "I am not going to try and convince you otherwise." So, forgive me my confusion and slight amusement here ... you've made many posts here complaining about Christians trying to convert folk, and insisting on your right to call the Lord God Almighty, amongst other things, a 'sky fairy' and you also state that all Christians are delusional, but then appear to complain when this Christian, in this instance, does want to discuss matters of faith with you, by calling it a 'nice dodge'. 😆 I see the irony, it's not lost on me.

If you started a thread about sky fairies and delusion, then I may, or may not, decide to join the debate. However, that is not the topic started by the opening poster. The topic was about perceived unfairness and inequality.

Limesodaagain · 21/07/2024 14:59

The UN definition of hate speech
To provide a unified framework for the United Nations to address the issue globally, the UN Strategy and Plan of Action on Hate Speech defines hate speech as…any kind of communication in speech, writing or behaviour, that attacks or uses pejorative or discriminatory language with reference to a person or a group on the basis of who they are, in other words, based on their religion, ethnicity, nationality, race, colour, descent, gender or other identity factor.….
Hate speech is “discriminatory”(biased, bigoted or intolerant) or “pejorative” (prejudiced, contemptuous or demeaning) of an individual or group.

BiscuityBoyle · 21/07/2024 15:47

And, asking why there isn’t a Christian board when there is Muslim and Jewish boards is like asking why there isn’t a white mumsnetters board when there is a black one, or why there isn’t and English board when there is are Scottish and Irish ones.

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