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Why do you allow people to attack and ridicule Christianity?

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Singersong · 18/07/2024 06:45

Time and time again I see people taking the absolute piss out of Christianity. Calling people delusional and saying it's made up bullshit etc. why do you allow this? I don't see this about any other religion.

It goes far beyond atheism and you claim to be against hate speech.

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FigTreeInEurope · 20/07/2024 12:24

Not a Doug Stanhope fan then?

Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 12:26

RampantIvy · 20/07/2024 12:23

Them suggesting it's mocking doesn't mean it is mocking. Expressing an opinion is not mocking.

It depends how you express your opinion doesn't it @Werweisswohin

"I think you are delusional" is mocking "I don't believe in God" isn't. Surely, you have the social awareness to know the difference? Don't you?

Christians actually use horrific language to guilt trip people into believing in their god too - telling people they're so full of sin that they need saving, telling people how to live, saying their way is the only way and so on.

What all Christians? Why do you tar all Christians with the same brush? None of the Christians I know do that, and I know a lot of them.

Point 1 - It's not mocking to have a different view.
Point 2 - All christians are 'supposed' to want people to be saved, it's one of the main bases of christian belief!

Notreat · 20/07/2024 12:31

SidekickSylvia · 18/07/2024 07:00

I agree, op. For a Christian country it's surprising that all religions are respected, other than Christianity by the general population.

At the last census fewer than 50% of the population of the UK were Christian.
Bullying of anyone from any religion is unacceptable.
But people have a right to challenge beliefs especially if those beliefs result in actions that adversely affect other parts of society.

Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 12:32

Notreat · 20/07/2024 12:31

At the last census fewer than 50% of the population of the UK were Christian.
Bullying of anyone from any religion is unacceptable.
But people have a right to challenge beliefs especially if those beliefs result in actions that adversely affect other parts of society.

Exactly.
Challenging a belief system or not agreeing with a belief system is healthy and normal.

RampantIvy · 20/07/2024 12:38

Point 1 - It's not mocking to have a different view.

It's not mocking to have a different view. It is mocking to tell someone who has a faith (any faith) that they are delusional.

You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about all Christians being vocal evangalical bigots towards anyone who isn't a Christian.

That simply isn't the case. I can only think that you have never met any who are quietly Christian and get on with their life who think live and let live.

I think that religion is a personal thing, but I don't have the hatred that so many people do towards it. It's called being broad minded and accepting that other people have different views.

You are entitled to your view that God doesn't exist, as do I, but I have enough social awareness to respect that some people have a faith and I do not mock them for it, unlike you.

MrsSkylerWhite · 20/07/2024 12:42

I think all religions are made up nonsense.

Crikeyalmighty · 20/07/2024 12:45

I'm an aetheist - and anti religion generally- seems to cause so much shit in the world- so I think this is probably the only thread I've commented on specifically about religion.

Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 12:46

RampantIvy · 20/07/2024 12:38

Point 1 - It's not mocking to have a different view.

It's not mocking to have a different view. It is mocking to tell someone who has a faith (any faith) that they are delusional.

You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about all Christians being vocal evangalical bigots towards anyone who isn't a Christian.

That simply isn't the case. I can only think that you have never met any who are quietly Christian and get on with their life who think live and let live.

I think that religion is a personal thing, but I don't have the hatred that so many people do towards it. It's called being broad minded and accepting that other people have different views.

You are entitled to your view that God doesn't exist, as do I, but I have enough social awareness to respect that some people have a faith and I do not mock them for it, unlike you.

I suggest you read my previous posts which have addressed all of these points (some more than once).

CurlewKate · 20/07/2024 13:00

I tend not to use colourful language about Christians. It is a little dificult to maintain that stance sometimes when I'm told I have a god shaped hole in my heart! And when I am sympathised with and prayed for because of my empty, joyless life.

RampantIvy · 20/07/2024 13:05

How come I have managed to avoid meeting the rampant Christians that so many of you on this thread have met?

Limesodaagain · 20/07/2024 13:10

RampantIvy · 20/07/2024 13:05

How come I have managed to avoid meeting the rampant Christians that so many of you on this thread have met?

I think in the same way I’ve managed to avoid the rampant atheists 😉

79Helene · 20/07/2024 13:11

RampantIvy · 20/07/2024 13:05

How come I have managed to avoid meeting the rampant Christians that so many of you on this thread have met?

I've genuinely never met one. But - and speaking as an atheist - the most intolerant people I know are those who practically define themselves by their atheism, rampant atheists you might call them.

HowardTJMoon · 20/07/2024 13:13

RampantIvy · 20/07/2024 13:05

How come I have managed to avoid meeting the rampant Christians that so many of you on this thread have met?

You don't talk to many Americans?

Isthatascratchonmygrandmother · 20/07/2024 13:14

The Bible tells us that we will be mocked for walking with Christ.

pikkumyy77 · 20/07/2024 13:14

RampantIvy · 20/07/2024 13:05

How come I have managed to avoid meeting the rampant Christians that so many of you on this thread have met?

Luck?

RampantIvy · 20/07/2024 13:15

HowardTJMoon · 20/07/2024 13:13

You don't talk to many Americans?

No.

Rebusa · 20/07/2024 13:17

Singersong · 18/07/2024 07:41

And I don't think you have good comprehension skills. Where have I said anything should be illegal?

I've simply said that this site claims not to allow hate speech and this is absolutely not the case where Christianity is concerned.

Not sure where you are getting this from. I’m a Christian and I call out many posters for Islamophobic comments. Not once have I seen MN remove any of these comments. It’s patently untrue to say that only Christians are attacked on here!

Prapsfound · 20/07/2024 13:18

In my life I’ve met 0 rampant Christian’s, and 3 what I always call militant atheists (they are not actually militant but what I mean is shoving their beliefs down my throat in a forceful way!). However I am aware that my Christian-ness probably brings out the preachiness in atheists and maybe the preachy Christian’s don’t target me as they think they will be preaching to the converted? I did have Jehovahs witnesses knock on the door and my dog chased them away

pikkumyy77 · 20/07/2024 13:19

Seriously, though, you either live in an area where people don’t proselytize or they don’t think they have to because you already belong.

At any rate all other religions are slso made fun of, or held in contempt by someone, but it just doesn’t have salience for you. Whenever and wherever a religion has power it will try to enforce blasphemy laws to suppress criticism. In the UK you have only recently lost this power. Its not like you never had it. And many people who you see as impermissably attacking your religion are simply revelling in a new found freedom to speak their mind on a matter of importance to them.

Rebusa · 20/07/2024 13:33

I have encountered some combative atheists irl - usually men trying to draw me into arguments etc. But my ex (who is the loveliest ex I have!) was a left wing atheist. His best mate was a Muslim guy.

He had criticisms of the organised church & conservative extremists but didn’t mock Christianity or Islam - at least not to my knowledge!

Most people I know just get along but you’ll always get the more argumentative or even hostile ones in every group.

But let’s not pretend that Muslims don’t get abused online and offline.

Some people only care with their group is being insulted, but I walked out of a church service once when the pastor made a completely unnecessary dig about the Muslim community.

KatiesMumWoof · 20/07/2024 13:37

OpizpuHeuvHiyo · 18/07/2024 06:57

God is big enough and holy enough not to be harmed by the words of unbelievers.

Those who live the way that jesus taught really don't need the world's approval.
Jesus said "Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account."

But calling someone delusional isn't persecution. Has anyone ever refused to give you a job or rent you a home or allow you access to goods and services because of your beliefs? Of course not.

In my experience people only start being rude about any religionif people are inappropriately proselytising in a context where people just want to be getting on with life. I don't see as much disparaging of other religions solely because there's not nearly so much obnoxious unsolicited preaching about other religions.

Great post, especially the final paragraph.

BansheesOfEdSheeran · 20/07/2024 13:51

RampantIvy · 20/07/2024 13:05

How come I have managed to avoid meeting the rampant Christians that so many of you on this thread have met?

Probably because you're already a Christian. It's quite simple logic if you think about it.

Although my DW is a strong Catholic, and she often meets "rampant Christians" insisting that religion should be done in their particular way (usually the Alpha Course), rather than accepting it as a personal thing.

HowardTJMoon · 20/07/2024 13:55

RampantIvy · 20/07/2024 13:15

No.

That's possibly why, then. There are a significant number of incredibly aggressive American Christians. The Westboro Baptist Church is one of the most famous but there are many, many other groups like them. Even outside of those extremes, a large proportion of US Christians regard anyone who's not Christian - and they've frequently got a very narrow definition of what "Christian" ism that often even excludes followers of the Roman Catholic church - as untrustworthy, actual or potential sex offenders, outright evil and/or devil worshippers who deserve to burn forever.

That being said I have encountered a few quite rude Christians over here. The Mormons I've had turn up at my door have generally been delightful, if incredibly sheltered. Some of the JWs, though, seemed very keen to try to position my disbelief in gods as some kind of deliberate choice motivated by a desire to do bad things. At least they don't think I deserve to burn in hell.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 20/07/2024 14:18

It depends how you express your opinion doesn't it @Werweisswohin

"I think you are delusional" is mocking "I don't believe in God" isn't. Surely, you have the social awareness to know the difference? Don't you?

Do you think that expressing any negative view of a religion, or stating that there is no evidence of any god, is 'mocking'?

Go for it then. But if you are going to mock Christianity then try mocking other religious faiths while you’re at it … see how you get on

I'm not sure how 'Go for it then' is a relevant response to my post that you quoted (which was asking whether Christians (and/or people of other faiths) extend the same respect they demand for their own religion to all kinds of beliefs held by other people.

Werweisswohin · 20/07/2024 14:23

RampantIvy · 20/07/2024 13:05

How come I have managed to avoid meeting the rampant Christians that so many of you on this thread have met?

No idea, but I 'met' a few while going through a difficult time in my life.