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Advertising Israeli Birthright

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TinyYellow · 17/07/2024 19:27

I was upset to see Mumsnet advertising Isreal’s birthright tours.

Birthright is a Zionist practice that directly contributes to the illegal expansion of Israeli settlements in the Palestinian West Bank.

Why is MN ok with advertising something that could not only be seen as alienating to a minority ethnic group but that also supports international law being broken?

Advertising Israeli Birthright
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soupfiend · 17/07/2024 19:37

Just had a quick google about this, doesnt seem to be what you say it is

What ethnic minority group are you talking about anyway, Jewish people are an ethnic minority in the UK

Oldseagull · 17/07/2024 19:38

Oh give it a rest.

TinyYellow · 17/07/2024 20:01

I’ve never started a Palestine/Isreal thread before and try not to comment much on other threads, so I don’t need to rest.

I just think this is too political and too divisive for a parenting website.

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RantyMcRanterton · 17/07/2024 20:04

IIRC the ads you are shown are based upon your browsing history so.

soupfiend · 17/07/2024 20:14

TinyYellow · 17/07/2024 20:01

I’ve never started a Palestine/Isreal thread before and try not to comment much on other threads, so I don’t need to rest.

I just think this is too political and too divisive for a parenting website.

In what way is it political? Its an organisation who organise tours of Israel for Jewish people who live elsewhere.

79Helene · 17/07/2024 20:14

It's a short trip for diaspora Jews. What's political about that? What's divisive about being of Jewish ethnicity?

Other countries also offer it, Cuba and Armenia.

https://birthrightarmenia.org/

https://cubaone.org/aboutus/how-it-works/

How It Works - CubaOne Foundation

https://cubaone.org/aboutus/how-it-works

soupfiend · 17/07/2024 20:16

And interestingly I have noticed an ad (not sure what or who for), for a month or two now, advertising or talking about Russian propaganda (or Ukraine propaganda, cant remember which)

I suspect that also pops up on others pages, why is that ok then?

(and although most ads do occur in relation to browsing history, I havent googled anything about Russia or Ukraine so not sure why that is there)

BuffaloCauliflower · 17/07/2024 20:16

It’s a trip that teaches Jewish young people from Europe and the US that the land of Israel is their birthright, ignoring that the land was stolen from the Palestinians and is a settler colonial project. It’s absolutely political.

BuffaloCauliflower · 17/07/2024 20:17

@79Helene nothing divisive about being Jewish, absolutely divisive to teach Jewish people that they have a ‘birthright‘ to a land they’re not native to

crockofshite · 17/07/2024 20:18

TinyYellow · 17/07/2024 19:27

I was upset to see Mumsnet advertising Isreal’s birthright tours.

Birthright is a Zionist practice that directly contributes to the illegal expansion of Israeli settlements in the Palestinian West Bank.

Why is MN ok with advertising something that could not only be seen as alienating to a minority ethnic group but that also supports international law being broken?

Anything to shut down Jewish people....

titchy · 17/07/2024 20:19

It's not a MN advert. It's a google ad and placed there as a result of your search history.

TinyYellow · 17/07/2024 20:24

Would it be as a result of my search history only on MN or the internet in general?

Seems odd either way tbh, TikTok seems to want to show me nothing but Pro Palestinian videos.

I don’t know anything about Cuba or Armenia. Are they also currently being accused of breaking international law by creating illegal settlements on land that they’re not entitled to?

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DuskyBlueDepartingLight · 17/07/2024 20:28

'Zionism is the movement for the self-determination and statehood for the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland, the land of Israel. The vast majority of Jews around the world feel a connection or kinship with Israel, whether or not they explicitly identify as Zionists, and regardless of their opinions on the policies of the Israeli government.

While there has been a continuous Jewish presence in the land of Israel over the millennia, the yearning to return to Zion, the biblical term for both the land of Israel and Jerusalem, has been a cornerstone of Jewish communal life since the Romans violently colonized the land, sending Jews into exile two thousand years ago. An earlier exile by the Babylonians produced perhaps the most well-known lamentation “By the rivers of Babylon, there we wept as we remembered Zion.” That connection between Jews and the land, and the hope for repatriation, is deeply embedded in Jewish prayer, ritual, literature and culture.

What is known as modern Zionism emerged in the mid-19th century in tandem with the rise of the nation-state and widespread national liberation movements across Europe. In the case of the Jews, it was also in response to a long history of intense anti-Jewish hatred, persecution, and discrimination in countries and societies across the world where Jews lived, including in Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa. Its advocates believed that a modern Jewish state would provide Jews with a safe haven from the bigotry and endangerment they suffered perennially as a minority culture among non-Jewish majority cultures, and ensure that Jews have the same right to nationhood and self-determination as any other people, along with the same protections that are typically afforded to other nations. Zionism was also a cultural and national renaissance movement which sought to enable the Jewish people to revive their language, Hebrew, and reestablish self-determination over their traditions, culture, religion and education.

In the late 1800s, the “father” of modern Zionism, Austrian journalist Theodor Herzl, consolidated various strands of Zionist thought into an organized political movement, advocating for international recognition of an independent and sovereign Jewish state in the land of Israel.

Today, with a Jewish sovereign state a reality, Zionists believe in and support the right of the democratic State of Israel to exist as a Jewish homeland. Israel is the only Jewish state in the world. Being a Zionist is distinct from supporting the policies of the government of Israel.
Zionism is a big tent movement that includes those across the spectrum from progressives, moderates and conservatives and those who are apolitical. There are Zionists who are critical of Israeli policies, just as there are Zionists who rarely voice disagreement with the Israeli government. There are diverse views among Zionists about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, about how to promote peace, whether to support a two-state solution, and about approaches to Israeli settlements. Being critical of Israeli policies is no more anti-Zionist than being critical of American policies is anti-American.

Zionism does not preclude support for Palestinian self-determination and statehood. For some Zionists, support for a two-state solution is the realization of self-determination for Jews and Palestinians alike.

There are also millions of non-Jews who consider themselves Zionists and supporters of the Jewish state, who are motivated by factors including religion, history, security or politics.'

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/zionism

crockofshite · 17/07/2024 20:29

TinyYellow · 17/07/2024 20:24

Would it be as a result of my search history only on MN or the internet in general?

Seems odd either way tbh, TikTok seems to want to show me nothing but Pro Palestinian videos.

I don’t know anything about Cuba or Armenia. Are they also currently being accused of breaking international law by creating illegal settlements on land that they’re not entitled to?

Are you at all concerned about the murderous gangsters who beheaded, burnt alive, raped, tortured, terrorised, murdered and kidnapped innocent children, teens, men and women in their homes and at the festival?

C0rdeliaChase · 17/07/2024 20:31

BuffaloCauliflower · 17/07/2024 20:16

It’s a trip that teaches Jewish young people from Europe and the US that the land of Israel is their birthright, ignoring that the land was stolen from the Palestinians and is a settler colonial project. It’s absolutely political.

Shouldn't all white and black Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders and Tazmainians also be taught that the land they're living on is a "settler colonial project"?

Hedgeoffressian · 17/07/2024 20:32

Oh get over yourself OP 🙄

Hedgeoffressian · 17/07/2024 20:33

crockofshite · 17/07/2024 20:29

Are you at all concerned about the murderous gangsters who beheaded, burnt alive, raped, tortured, terrorised, murdered and kidnapped innocent children, teens, men and women in their homes and at the festival?

This ^

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titchy · 17/07/2024 20:39

TinyYellow · 17/07/2024 20:24

Would it be as a result of my search history only on MN or the internet in general?

Seems odd either way tbh, TikTok seems to want to show me nothing but Pro Palestinian videos.

I don’t know anything about Cuba or Armenia. Are they also currently being accused of breaking international law by creating illegal settlements on land that they’re not entitled to?

It's your general search history.

GlobalCitz · 17/07/2024 21:03

British people lecturing about colonialism

PasteldeNata78 · 17/07/2024 21:07

GlobalCitz · 17/07/2024 21:03

British people lecturing about colonialism

Exactly, oh the irony. Although OP might not be British.
Nothing wrong with the ad OP. It would be the same as an ad advertising, I don't know, Haj pilgrimage packages or trips to Hindu holy sites.

PoloMum · 17/07/2024 21:15

BuffaloCauliflower · 17/07/2024 20:17

@79Helene nothing divisive about being Jewish, absolutely divisive to teach Jewish people that they have a ‘birthright‘ to a land they’re not native to

Lots of people have a ‘birthright’ to countries they are not native to. Someone who has never set foot in Ireland but has an Irish grandparent has the right to Irish citizenship. Someone who was born in the US while their British parents were only holidaying there on a tourist visa on has the right to US citizenship.

Birthright is determined by each country’s citizenship and immigration laws, not by whether or not people are ‘natives’.

BuffaloCauliflower · 17/07/2024 21:45

C0rdeliaChase · 17/07/2024 20:31

Shouldn't all white and black Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders and Tazmainians also be taught that the land they're living on is a "settler colonial project"?

Yes. Australia and NZ have also been enacting policies to recognise the indigenous people’s rights to the land that Europeans have settled on

BuffaloCauliflower · 17/07/2024 21:51

PoloMum · 17/07/2024 21:15

Lots of people have a ‘birthright’ to countries they are not native to. Someone who has never set foot in Ireland but has an Irish grandparent has the right to Irish citizenship. Someone who was born in the US while their British parents were only holidaying there on a tourist visa on has the right to US citizenship.

Birthright is determined by each country’s citizenship and immigration laws, not by whether or not people are ‘natives’.

The Birthright trip project is specifically designed to instil a sense of ownership over the land in Jewish people from the US and Europe who’s ancestors haven’t been from the region in hundreds or even thousands of years, to support the Zionist project. It’s not the same as having an Irish grandparent and getting an Irish passport as a result.

But a comparison that helps might be an American whose greta great grandparents came from Ireland, arriving in the Irish countryside and being given a tour that teaches them they have the right over the farmland of someone whose family has worked that land for 150 years. And even then it’s closer ancestrally than we’re talking about for the people settling in Israel from Europe over the last 100 ish years. The creation of Israel happened only because thousands of Palestinians were forced from their land and property with violence, and it’s sold to young Jewish people that it was their right to do this because it was their land 2000+ years ago.