Advertising Israeli Birthright

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I was upset to see Mumsnet advertising Isreal’s birthright tours.

Birthright is a Zionist practice that directly contributes to the illegal expansion of Israeli settlements in the Palestinian West Bank.

Why is MN ok with advertising something that could not only be seen as alienating to a minority ethnic group but that also supports international law being broken?

Yes but they don't usually permit only people of a certain ethnicity/religion to have automatic citizenship and kill those off whose land they want. Ben Gvir himself said that life for Palestinians in the West Bank will be made intolerable so that they flee themselves. The very reason Israel is against a one state solution is that they want to "retain the Jewish identity". The 2018 Nation State law states that Jewish rights are enshrined over the rights and protection of all other citizens. I don't think any other country operates in this way, as mandated by law?

Because I feel the need to caveat what I say to make sure Jewish people know that there are people who are watching whats going on and identifying with the racism they are experiencing in Britain as a fellow British citizens. I shouldn’t use caveats really as the point is true regardless of my ethnicity. There is an assumption that only right wing white people feel any empathy for Israelis after 7th October, I’ve definitely had people make assumptions on my thoughts on this on the basis of my skin colour. The fact that someone is complaining about Jewish people being advertised to about visiting the home of their religion speaks to a certain attitude towards Jewish people.

I had someone I know refuse to read a book by an author because of their “identity” as an Israeli author (this was years ago btw). And I thought to myself, “I’m second/third gen immigrant, does the fact that I was born here make me responsible for everything the government does, equally if someone told me I had no right to be here, no right to the place I was born to how would I feel about that, I don’t have any other citizenship other than British”. I think that is true of both Palestinians and Jewish Israelis. They are all home as far as they are concerned. The only way for Israelis to be safe is for Palestinians to feel safe and the only way for Palestinians to be safe is if the Israelis feel safe.

There are people who haven’t picked a “side” I’m one of them but whilst I see genuine grief about Palestinian deaths I have also seen a lot of minimising over Israeli (and non israeli) ones.

Kindly @Chickenuggetsticks this is not what the thread is about. Read the OP, and the subsequent links of the particular organization.

The fact that someone is complaining about Jewish people being advertised to about visiting the home of their religion speaks to a certain attitude towards Jewish people

@poshsnobtwit really? It seems quite standard that say if you have an Irish grandmother you are automatically eligible for Irish citizenship . Being Jewish is a race.

There’s a long list of countries with those sort of restrictions but unlike Israel they get very little attention.

Wait til some people on this thread find out that I got GERMAN citizenship because my grandmother is Jewish...

TWO 'birthrights' <insert shocked and horrified face here> 😂

Do you think they will also object the Jewish youth groups doing tours in Germany?

You are all confusing ethnicity and nationality and the concept of what birthright means. Anyone born before 2005 in ROI got Irish nationality. To get it through your grandmother she would have needed to have been born there. You cannot get citizenship in Maldives automatically either on merit of religion alone, you have to satisfy a residency period prior to applying (12 continuous years). Equally @doyoulikemyyams your German citizenship is not a birthright in the sense that Jewish people believe Israel is their birthright. It was awarded to Jewish people who lived in Germany within a certain time period due to the risk of persecution. You have it as a nationality by ancestory, and it can be revoked.

A land without a people was the biggest lie told by the founder of political zionism.
Israel is there now but it cannot be denied that the Palestinians had their land taken from them to create it, and till this day face persecution and brutal occupation. Till this day they continue to have more and more land stolen from them and face daily oppression, not only from the IDF but also from extremist settlers, which the state does next to nothing to rein in.

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@HowIrresponsible so it's fine to murder, rape, abuse a people because they never existed? That's exactly like saying Jews never lived in the area because Israel never existed It's obviously ridiculous, and just a very pathetic way to attempt to erase the peoples who lived there.

It is interesting how Zionists have to misconstrue and falsify in order to justify the unjustifiable. Otherwise they would have to face the racist horror their state is built on, and the racist horror of genocide their state is doing right now.

Of course there wasn't a Palestinian "state". States- with strict borders- were a European invention. Most of the world didn't have "states" until Europeans colonised it. How fascinating that the so-called "indigenous" Zionists cling to this European invention to prove Palestine never existed.

Palestine and it's neighbours were like the UK- porous, similar, but obviously distinct. The same way Scotland isn't England, Palestine isn't Jordan. Imagine ethnically cleansing Scottish people down to England in the hope, as Israel's then prime minister said, "the old will die out and the young will forget". And imagine sitting here now and justifying it.

I am Jewish, petal - you don't need to explain my life to me 😉

So what? It's not political and divisive in the slightest for most people. I have never, ever heard anyone say that Jordan shouldn't exist and all the other guff spouted about Israel, despite the fact that Jordan is responsible for multiple times the deaths of Palestinians of even most overinflated and outlandish claims against Israel. The difference is clear.

@poshsnobtwit incorrect above Ireland (and countless other countries too)

Yes, the difference is clear:

• Israel over the past 100 years stole Palestinian homes and land and continues to do so until this day, dispossessing rightful and indigenous homeowners for settlers with New York accents
• Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza murdering children, babies, families in the most depraved and disgusting ways, letting their dogs maul disabled Palestinians to death, bombing schools, churches and mosques

It's easier to claim anti Semitism than face the fact that the army perpetuating the greatest rate of child death in conflict in our lifetime is going to be generally opposed.

It can only be passed on once though if the parent wasn't born there, it isn't a 'birthright'. I don't think the "countless other countries" are comparable to the Jewish concept of birthright. No one in the ancestry is required to have any
connection to the country, other than being halachally Jewish.

Israel hasn't 'stolen' Palestinian land. The land was never, ever Palestine eg the West Bank was ceded to Israel by Jordan when Jordan attacked Israel and lost. There is no genocide either, that's a ridiculous and tiresome claim. Palestine is losing the war it should never have started and should surrender instead of continuing to bombard Israel with tens of thousands of missiles that luckily can't get through, I'm not sure what you expect to happen.

My children's own great grandparents (of those still alive) remember and can describe the moment Israeli soldiers came to their village, ordered them away forever at gunpoint. One member of our family returned after an hour to get supplies for his baby, my sister in law's grandfather. He was executed by being shot in the head.

Israel then demolished a village that had first been mentioned in the old testament, took the stones from which the house was built away, and built a forest over it to pretend it never existed. Now people like you get to say "Palestine never existed".

Perhaps your religion and whatever other ideology lets you say that's fine and good, anything is worth it for the Jewish state. I am extremely grateful to live by beliefs that don't.

I'm aware you are Jewish, but that doesn't change the fact that you don't understand the concept of birthright.

I'm so sorry that this happened to you all. Please ignore those who are trying to minimize and erase your children's identity, and their ancestors memory. When you cannot deny the painful reality, you are forced to invent a new narrative.

Israel hasn't stolen land

@Alltheprettyseahorses try telling that to the international world, it's an established fact. The Israeli government don't even deny it themselves! Of course initially they try to twist things and start quoting religious texts about it being theirs in the first place, but then they finally say they will take more to serve their purpose, and they laugh about it because there's nothing anyone can do.

States are a European invention!!!

Clearly you dont understand or know world history

I've studied it at a masters level. Its actually a very non controversial point in academia. Eg:

https://academic.oup.com/book/28463/chapter-abstract/229067962?redirectedFrom=fulltext