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Disability hate on MN

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IClaudine · 02/05/2024 13:31

Hi MNHQ

Since Sunak’s announcement on disability benefits, there has been a big increase on MN in hostility towards people who receive then.

The abuse, hate and outright lies (my neighbour’s son’s cousin’s wife climbs Mount Everest but gets PIP etc) being spewed on MN towards disabled people, a group with protected characteristics, has been dreadful and very distressing for disabled people and their loved ones to read,

Please can you do something?

Here is a small selection of the threads where the disability benefit bashers have paid a visit and had a field day. There may be more, but I can’t face searching for them!

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5064828-to-be-terrified-about-pip?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share  

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5065470-people-who-work-have-anxiety-too?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5066670-aibu-to-hope-that-able-bodied-people-will-support-disabled-people-against-the-tory-attack-on-pip?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/money-matters/5064856-pip-vouchers-to-replace-money?reply=134966246&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/money-matters/5066331-do-you-feel-bad-for-receiving-a-high-amount-of-uc?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

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PandoraSocks · 13/04/2026 11:16

ValleyClouds · 13/04/2026 11:10

Since when have MNHQ ever cared about ableism except to class it as justified debate and dismiss disabled posters?

The fact that this thread was started nearly two years ago and nothing has changed speaks volumes.

Piggywaspushed · 13/04/2026 16:11

I reported a thread copied and pasted from Robert Jenrick's Facebook page. Totally disingenuous and falsely used by an OP pretending to be the originator of the 'thoughts'. That was left to run despite one of the reporting categories being 'not a genuine poster'.

On the Scottish Reform voting website there have been multiple references to 'genuine disability'. I am sure this doesn't meet a deletion threshold , even though it is clear ableism.

ValleyClouds · 13/04/2026 16:26

@Piggywaspushedive just reported two posts on the one thread, they’re benefit bashing and laughing at fatties, they’re both still standing

PandoraSocks · 13/04/2026 17:50

I reported a post recently for benefit bashing which was deleted but then reinstated for some reason.

PandoraSocks · 13/04/2026 21:26

KellyMumsnet · 13/04/2026 10:08

Morning @PandoraSocks (and others). Thanks for flagging this again. Could you report any of those threads you mention? We'll happily have a look behind the scenes and make sure they're above board.

I have just reported a thread that has descended into really disgusting, dehumanising benefit bashing. Let's see what happens.

ConcernedForWales · 29/04/2026 09:41

This is very sad and shows the effect of allowing disability hate to thrive on SM:

‘People assume we’re grifters’: disabled Britons report rise in abuse over blue badges | Disability | The Guardian https://share.google/kiD5v8XE0tTlX77Ew

KellyMumsnet · 29/04/2026 11:42

Morning, everyone. Thanks to all of you who reported threads and posts that were concerning you here.

We understand that discussions around benefits can be emotive ones, especially for those who are in the position of needing to use that system and cope with all the frustrations that go along with it, on top of having disabilities that already make life more difficult than it should be.

As moderators, however, our role is not to delete based on whether we agree with the sentiment or not but on whether posts are within our Talk guidelines. We will always delete posts that are clearly disablist in tone or content but often posts that might be perceived to be ableist or benefits bashing don't actually break our guidelines. We do allow posters to express critical opinions on public policy or personal experience so long as those posts don't become too personal or otherwise cross the line into abuse or discrimination.

Context is always important, too. While we might allow people to express their frustration at the benefits system, for example, we would probably not allow posts that targeted individuals or were generally discriminatory or dehumanising in tone, and we would look at the path a discussion has taken before making a decision.

We do understand the frustration it can cause when you have taken the time to report and a post is then not deleted but we will always try to explain why and you're always welcome to ask about why a decision was taken. Hitting the report button and letting us know that you're concerned a post is discriminatory should take only a few seconds and we usually don't see problematic posts unless they are reported to us so it really is worth doing. It also helps us to build a picture, particularly if there are 'bad actors' at work, whose posts may not individually break Talk guidelines but, with reports, we can begin to build up a picture of their posting pattern.

We hope that helps at least give a clearer picture of how things work.

ConcernedForWales · 29/04/2026 11:51

Hi @KellyMumsnet thanks for that.

Could I ask a follow up question, please? In MNHQ's opinion, is it acceptable for a poster to disclose the personal details of a third party, including financial and medical details, to the extent that the third party would easily recognise themselves or be recognised by someone who knows them? This is the thread in question:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5523170-aibu-to-feel-bitter-about-an-acquaintances-state-funded-early-retirement

C8H10N4O2 · 29/04/2026 13:24

KellyMumsnet · 29/04/2026 11:42

Morning, everyone. Thanks to all of you who reported threads and posts that were concerning you here.

We understand that discussions around benefits can be emotive ones, especially for those who are in the position of needing to use that system and cope with all the frustrations that go along with it, on top of having disabilities that already make life more difficult than it should be.

As moderators, however, our role is not to delete based on whether we agree with the sentiment or not but on whether posts are within our Talk guidelines. We will always delete posts that are clearly disablist in tone or content but often posts that might be perceived to be ableist or benefits bashing don't actually break our guidelines. We do allow posters to express critical opinions on public policy or personal experience so long as those posts don't become too personal or otherwise cross the line into abuse or discrimination.

Context is always important, too. While we might allow people to express their frustration at the benefits system, for example, we would probably not allow posts that targeted individuals or were generally discriminatory or dehumanising in tone, and we would look at the path a discussion has taken before making a decision.

We do understand the frustration it can cause when you have taken the time to report and a post is then not deleted but we will always try to explain why and you're always welcome to ask about why a decision was taken. Hitting the report button and letting us know that you're concerned a post is discriminatory should take only a few seconds and we usually don't see problematic posts unless they are reported to us so it really is worth doing. It also helps us to build a picture, particularly if there are 'bad actors' at work, whose posts may not individually break Talk guidelines but, with reports, we can begin to build up a picture of their posting pattern.

We hope that helps at least give a clearer picture of how things work.

We do allow posters to express critical opinions on public policy or personal experience so long as those posts don't become too personal or otherwise cross the line into abuse or discrimination

How about when they are including verifiably false information? Which is a common feature of the worst of these posts. Individual posters disagreeing does not hold the weight of a platform invoked fact checker or similar.

The amount of simply false information posted here, especially (but not only) on benefits and disability seems to have escalated in recent years. I dare say its related to the more populist parties promote huge quantities of bitesize false information (its always easier to post clickbait nonsense and promise easy solutions than deal with a complex situation).

ConcernedForWales · 29/04/2026 13:34

ConcernedForWales · 29/04/2026 11:51

Hi @KellyMumsnet thanks for that.

Could I ask a follow up question, please? In MNHQ's opinion, is it acceptable for a poster to disclose the personal details of a third party, including financial and medical details, to the extent that the third party would easily recognise themselves or be recognised by someone who knows them? This is the thread in question:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5523170-aibu-to-feel-bitter-about-an-acquaintances-state-funded-early-retirement

Any chance of a reply, please @KellyMumsnet ?

ValleyClouds · 30/04/2026 20:37

often posts that might be perceived as ableist or benefits bashing don’t actually break our talk guidelines @KellyMumsnet what qualifies the moderation team as recognisers of What Ableism Actually Is? Have you had any disability discrimination training or are you just winging it?

baroqueandblue · 01/05/2026 07:42

ValleyClouds · 30/04/2026 20:37

often posts that might be perceived as ableist or benefits bashing don’t actually break our talk guidelines @KellyMumsnet what qualifies the moderation team as recognisers of What Ableism Actually Is? Have you had any disability discrimination training or are you just winging it?

I'd say not winging it as much as protecting MN's bottom line. The so-called talk guidelines inherently allow benefits claimants and disabled people bashing, which is why our pleas will fall on deaf ears. How could it be any other way, on a forum driven by advertising revenue? That's why the response up-thread reads like a well-meaning but fundamentally dissembling speech by a politician.

We understand that discussions around benefits can be emotive ones, especially for those who are in the position of needing to use that system and cope with all the frustrations that go along with it, on top of having disabilities that already make life more difficult than it should be.
As moderators, however, our role is not to delete based on whether we agree with the sentiment or not but on whether posts are within our Talk guidelines. We will always delete posts that are clearly disablist in tone or content but often posts that might be perceived to be ableist or benefits bashing don't actually break our guidelines.

They don't understand, they don't really care, and they will hide behind their role and the 'guidelines' that prop up the role.

Let's not kid ourselves that that will change. The lowest common denominator drives their business model.

XenoBitch · 26/05/2026 18:18

Absolutely awful thread running right now full of ableist comments.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/money-matters/5534561-how-can-we-manage-financially-as-universal-credit-support-reduces?page=1

ConcernedForWales · 26/05/2026 18:37

It is disgusting. @BeckyAMumsnet @DawnMumsnet @KellyMumsnet @LilyMumsnet someone really needs to have a good look at that thread.

ValleyClouds · 26/05/2026 18:47

I’ve reported someone on that thread. Disgusting

XenoBitch · 26/05/2026 19:11

The whole thread needs pulling, but that will be up to the OP to report (I think?)
It is an awful pile on, and some of the attitudes and comments towards disabled people are disturbing to read. OP just wanted some advice about finances.

ConcernedForWales · 26/05/2026 19:28

XenoBitch · 26/05/2026 19:11

The whole thread needs pulling, but that will be up to the OP to report (I think?)
It is an awful pile on, and some of the attitudes and comments towards disabled people are disturbing to read. OP just wanted some advice about finances.

The one about how can you be disabled if you are "smart" enough to go to university was pretty sickening, but there are plenty of others to choose from.

Kirbert2 · 26/05/2026 20:05

It's the worst thread I've ever seen on here and that's saying a lot.

Of course it will be allowed to stay up though.

ThingsAreNotWhatTheyWere · 26/05/2026 20:11

Kirbert2 · 26/05/2026 20:05

It's the worst thread I've ever seen on here and that's saying a lot.

Of course it will be allowed to stay up though.

I agree, worse than the one suggesting that people who were non-contributors or not contributing enough should have their vote taken away. It's full of posts from several posters stoking up hatred against the op and disabled people more widely.

It really does make me fearful for the future of this country.

PickAChew · 27/05/2026 07:32

And it's still rumbling on, full of people's "unpopular opinions" about what a scourge on society people like the OP are. Vile.

ConcernedForWales · 27/05/2026 07:47

The OP never came back to the thread. Either because of the abuse or because perhaps they had the result they were looking for?

Piggywaspushed · 27/05/2026 08:10

Just checked out that thread. Jeez, some people just enjoy being nasty.

Piggywaspushed · 27/05/2026 08:10

ConcernedForWales · 27/05/2026 07:47

The OP never came back to the thread. Either because of the abuse or because perhaps they had the result they were looking for?

They posted twice and have previous posting history.

PickAChew · 27/05/2026 08:13

Piggywaspushed · 27/05/2026 08:10

They posted twice and have previous posting history.

They used to be very active on the SN boards.

ConcernedForWales · 27/05/2026 09:27

Oh, God. The poor OP. I hope she is OK. I was almost hoping it wasn't real, if you see what I mean. To have all that abuse piled on her is just terrible.