Why did the "Lisa Johnson One to Many" thread get deleted?

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I've seen the deletion message but don't understand why the comments that broke talk guidelines couldn't have been deleted and the rest of the thread left to stand.

Lisa Johnson claims that she had it removed because she put pressure on MN to do so.

Can anyone from MNHQ clarify please?

No worries, I completely understand you not wanting to say. The reason I asked is because others reported their questions being deleted and they were blocked. I also saw a tricky, but completely legitimate question deleted. Maybe your question wasn't really deemed to be tricky which is why I asked what it was.

It's our honest opinions and experiences and we are free to express them (without being called ridiculous), in the same way that you are allowed to express your opinions. Hopefully no-one will call you expressing an opinion "beyond ridiculous".

In case you missed my post, there are many things I think that are great about Lisa. But that doesn't mean that I have to agree with everything she does. And yes 100% I can stop following her. But I have formed many business friendships within her group and also beyond her group but still within her sphere so I'd be leaving those behind.

As someone else said, when Lisa has a little rant about something she's "calling it out" and is applauded. Are we not allowed to do the same?

@OriginalOP yes. I have personally had a post deleted in the past. Nothing negative - actually quite the opposite in my eyes. Feel free to PM me if you want more info as I don't want to post it here (again in case I'm blocked and lose access to the community and friend's posts). If I was completely new and hadn't heard of Lisa I wouldn't have cared about asking tricky questions. I've just seen what happens and experienced a deleted post myself so I'm wary.

Lisa used to have a right hand woman who she was often photographed with. I think it was Zoe something? Durden was it? Did she resign? It dawned on me that I've not seen her in photos for a long time.

I'm just not sure what it's all trying to achieve on here?
I have looked back at the thread. There were other people that asked/said trickier things on the thread where she asked for feedback, they didn't get deleted, and Lisa responded/asked questions/gave further info. The posters were still part of the group so didn't get removed.
For me, I suppose I am just trying to give some balance to the conversation in here, if I just read all of this on here I would think gosh what a terrible person she must be, but that isn't what I have seen of her in the groups, training, lives etc.
When you run a business, a social group, are part of a friendship group even, you can never please all of the people all of the time. People have different opinions about how things should be handled, run or done. People react differently to methods and language used. You can be the most reasonable and delightful person ever and someone will still dislike you anyway.
Also, nobody is 100% perfect, nobody handles everything perfectly 100% all of the time. I am not, I'm sure Lisa is not, I'm sure all of the people on this thread are not. We are all still learning all of the time.

I'm just not sure what it's all trying to achieve on here?

We were just discussing why the previous thread had been deleted, that's all.

I don't think that's all is it, not for all of the last 14 pages?

@Nik73 it's been an interesting discussion on the online coaching business model generally and strategies for dealing with criticism (from customers or otherwise).

Yes, that's true, and that is a fair discussion to be had. Unfortunately this has been targetted at one person and their business, that is where it has become particularly unpleasant in my opinion. There will be different opinions about how that could have been handled for sure. As I said nobody is perfect and we are all still learning.
What I have seen myself from her is that her training has value, is thought provoking, helps to create good processes for developing a business idea and bringing it into reality. Also providing a supportive, encouraging community, that are generous with their knowledge and advice to others.
There are many people doing similar style things all over the internet and all over the world, maybe have a general discussion about it all as a whole on a new thread that isn't targetting one person and their business?

........maybe have a general discussion about it all as a whole on a new thread that isn't targetting one person and their business?

Maybe if LJ hadn't called everyone on MN "lowlifes on a gossip site" we wouldn't be discussing her exclusively.

Not to forget that we don't have anything about us.

So you admit that's what you are doing then? Deliberately targetting someone? That is unpleasant behaviour in my opinion, maybe you need to reflect on your own behaviour and reactions? Hold yourself to the same standards you expect of others when you feel insulted?
I guess I could be included in what she said, I didn't take offence, I knew it was for the people it applied to

The original thread was about - Lisa Johnson.

This thread is about - why a thread about Lisa Johnson was deleted.

If I start a thread about, say, an author, are you going to say I am "targeting" them? Are you going to demand that I write about all authors in the world, instead of the one I was discussing?

Aside from, of course, the bits you clearly don't know about how Lisa Johnson "targeted" us on her Facebook page, and saying she was going to demand our names and email addresses.

I'm just not sure what it's all trying to achieve on here?

A safe space where anyone is allowed to provide an opinion, either positive or negative, without motives being questioned.

I have looked back at the thread. There were other people that asked/said trickier things on the thread

Trickier than what? The thread asking for yes/no feedback which is what I was referring to was all yes as far as I remember? Out of 10k+ people around 350 said yes.
I would genuinely love to see some of the tricky questions and the replies. Because then I might change my mind. Which is something I'm always open to. My opinion is based on what I myself have both experienced and seen over the years, including recently. You have your opinion. And that's also fine. 🤷‍♀️ It's much harder to back up what I say because things are deleted so quickly! It's easy for you to back up what you say if you want to, by giving examples/screenshots/links.

I'd say this thread has turned into what it has because someone asked a genuine question after buying OTM, Lisa jumped in with an attitude and then started name calling and accusing the thread of being sexist and it all escalated. And then she celebrated that the thread had been taken down, thereby silencing people.

I do know all the things actually, would I do everything the same - probably not. But don't you think it's enough now?

As a business owner myself, I honestly don't know how I would handle all of this if I found myself and my business being discussed in this way on a national website. I know I would be devastated, and my mental health would definitely be impacted.

Surely you have all had your say, expressed your opinions, isn't it enough now??

The original thread was about Lisa Johnsons course. Not Lisa Johnson personally but the original thread descended into personal attacks on Lisa and her affiliates and completely went off track from the original posters request of feedback from people who had done the course.

This thread claims to be about 'Why' that thread got deleted but has again descended into another personal attack. If it was about why is was deleted it should have ended when Mumsnet responded.

We've posted facts. I'm not sure why we shouldn't?

I say this respectfully but the thread is called “why did the Lisa Johnson One too Many thread get deleted”. I’m not sure what else you expected to see here?

I think it is worth remembering that, regardless of who it was directed at, she called people “uneducated, lowlifes on a gossip site.” The one that you are currently commenting on.

Which, from a self-proclaimed anti-bullying campaigner can be perceived as both trolling and bullying. Not a good look. If you are going to stand up in the public eye and espouse those views, you cannot be surprised when you are ‘called out’ on not adhering to them.

in my opinion, it is also not a good look to go on your own social media and spin the truth and play the victim when you are also guilty of being in the wrong.

it is also worth noting that LJ is a person brand and as much as I believe she is a good person that does good things it would appear from the personal interactions and experiences others have had that her business’ practice has not been, in several incidences.

Both things can be true. Good people can behave badly and I believe that is what LJ has done here.

@nik73 Using the word "targeting" is making it sound a lot more sinister than it is. We are expressing our opinions and our experiences. In the same way that you do when you write a review. Are we only allowed to do that when they are favourable? Because ironically you'll find that that's exactly the point that we are trying to make. That we can't say something against LJ without someone jumping on us.

Agree, @WonTooMany . She has made the brand all about her. And if you go on and on about integrity, then people are going to call you out (as Lisa would put it 😉) if you are perceived to fail to act with integrity.

Anyway, Lisa is now likening herself to the Princess of Wales, so make of that what you will.

I only write reviews about products and services that I've used. I think it's more than fair to say that the majority of those posting on this thread have NO personal experience of working with Lisa, didn't participate in the challenge or join the Facebook group. Yet they have participated in the thread 'stalked' Lisa's Facebook, copying and pasting her personal posts in here and passing judgement. That does sound pretty targeted to me. Trial by social media is alive and well.

Nobody has "stalked" Lisa's Facebook page. A poster on this thread is in the Facebook group. If Lisa doesn't stand by what she wrote about Mumsnet users and subsequently deleted it, that's her problem.

The previous thread would probably have died off after a page or two, until Lisa Johnson came on it (stalking us, maybe?!) and then kicked off on Facebook.

Once again - if you make yourself the brand, you have nothing to hide behind.

We're all entitled to comment on any thread on here.
I'd never heard of LJ before but the way she dealt with @OriginalOP shocked me.

It didn't seem terribly professional, to say the least, and then her comments on FB were outrageous.

I was also amazed that she had asked MNHQ for all our email addresses and names.

I mean WTF. Nobody with integrity behaves like that.

Someone asked what a course was like. Everything that came after was far from answering that question. Some people appeared to have a long term issue with LJ and used that post to become something really unpleasant against her, and then they responded with glee when they provoked a reaction from her. I personally would not have given them that pleasure. It wasn't just a less than favourable opinion of a course. I would have found that helpful! I still don't think we have been given any view of what the course is like by anyone who has taken the course?

If you like, we are reviewing our interaction with Lisa Johnson. She came on the previous thread, and then wrote about us on Facebook, in legally threatening terms. So yes, we are writing about our experience of her as a business person.

As a business owner myself, I honestly don't know how I would handle all of this if I found myself and my business being discussed in this way on a national website. I know I would be devastated, and my mental health would definitely be impacted.

See, as a business owner myself, I find this quite strange. Obviously people will discuss your business if you're doing well, and if you don't have the mental resilience to hear the bad stuff then how will you ever learn from your mistakes and improve your business? Yes it's hard to hear, but it's actually very valuable feedback.