Why did the "Lisa Johnson One to Many" thread get deleted?

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I've seen the deletion message but don't understand why the comments that broke talk guidelines couldn't have been deleted and the rest of the thread left to stand.

Lisa Johnson claims that she had it removed because she put pressure on MN to do so.

Can anyone from MNHQ clarify please?

@Carab13 did you actually read the post I put on here? Lisa behaved really badly towards me, she made our working relationship untenable, and I agree a conversation was needed but it was up to Lisa to contact me rather than deliberately expose me while not caring what might happen to me as a result and to then block me so that we couldn't have a conversation.

Those are not the actions of a caring, moral, ethical person with integrity. They simply are not.

@Carab13

To the original poster if you felt stressed out or upset I wouldn’t wish that on anyone and not matter what anyone on here thinks neither would Lisa. And a conversation is all it would have took

Then isn't it a shame that Lisa didn't have that conversation with her, despite knowing who she was? As that poster said:

"So, Lisa or her team were able to put two and two together and work out it was me on here. Lisa made that clear to me on my thread here and on the Facebook group through direct comments and by liking certain comments I made in her group."

"Lisa did not contact me. She knew who I was on Mumsnet, she was going to talk about my thread, and therefore it was very likely that thousands of people would then find the thread and could also identify me in real life like Lisa had done. But she didn't contact me.""

Maybe you missed that bit?

@Carab13 I'd be on here defending my mate if someone was saying things I didn't want to hear about them too, so totally understand your position.

I do however think this is a valuable post for anyone looking for non biased information before spunking 2k and I'm happy HQ have left it up.

Those of us who own businesses have not said you have to sit on your hands and not respond. We've said you respond professionally

Because that's what you do. As I said earlier, even the most negative things said about you are an opportunity for you to impress.

Not impress those who have said the negative things but all those reading them.

You can come out looking amazing or you can come out looking horrible. You can't control what people say about your business but you can control how you respond and how others view you because of it.

And anyone who either doesn't understand that or can't/won't do that is shooting themselves in the foot.

I've gone from thinking highly of LJ to being really disappointed (bearing in mind I had not heard of her before this January).
Using someone else's cancer diagnosis to make your own point feels completely wrong to me.

Also the OP didn't "cool off", she was given a refund by LJ without asking for one - no discussion and then blocked. That's a fairly unusual way to go about things.

The alleged automatic refund which was offered allegedly without consultation and then allegedly blocking OP immediately after being messaged via messenger, is the piece that feels unpleasant to me.

@OriginalOP up to this point had you had any communication with Lisa. Could it be said that you were harassing her or her team sending an indiscriminate amount of messages / emails / phone calls? Asking unreasonable or unanswerable amounts of questions?

My understanding as it stands at this point is that @OriginalOP hadn’t had any contact with LJ or the team and the message and refund allegedly came out of the blue.

I could stand corrected and I am interested to understand more if there are reasons that the LJ team chose to block @OriginalOP

Yes. Not LJ being magnanimous.
Just doing what everyone is obliged to do legally.

@LurkingLark snap. I saw the post and was tempted to give honest feedback. But like you I thought that 1. there'd be a torrent of people getting abusive (because how dare we criticise, even when asked for honest feedback) 2. I'd be blocked and would lose access to the posts/replies of friends I've made in the group.

I know for a fact we're not alone because some of us in the group PMed each other asking if we dared post. None of us did. What does that say about the culture surrounding her? And amongst those people are also those who have bought from her in the past and admire what she has achieved (as do I) but are scared they'll lose access to their products if they disagree with something she does or says.

As you say, because of this we have to stay anonymous. People are scared of reprisals. It's not good.

I had contact with the Lisa Johnson profile* only once before, when I reported another never of the group for inappropriate contact. The group admins had all been clear that we were to report anyone using the group to promote their own business via PMs. I didn't actually get a reply to that message though.

I'm saying LJ profile because I now know that Lisa has a number of different profiles on Facebook and it's unclear to me which are actually her. I find that all a bit odd too. I get having a business one and a personal one, but she seems to have at least three and maybe more, as I know of the one I'm blocked by and the public one I can still see, but there's another one which is the one where most of the posts have been made (another poster has confirmed it's a different profile pic to the ones I can see or have been able to see).

So, no, I had not in any way harassed Lisa Johnson or her team, or asked any questions of them beyond a couple of posts in the group.

There was no reason to block me other than to prevent me seeing what was then posted about me.

Have you changed your user id x

@LurkingLark and @GiddyGoldHam it's really interesting to hear your experiences. So are you saying that you wanted to post in the RRR group and felt that you couldn't because of the atmosphere? I'm really interested in hearing more about this because I think the way the group atmosphere was curated is fascinating and I wasn't aware that there were others on the group who also wanted to ask questions. I'm not the sort of person who is frightened to ask questions, so obviously I did and we know what happened as a result, and I don't blame people at all for not asking questions, but I would be really interested to hear more of your thoughts and experiences.

I've asked Mumsnet to amend it to the one I'm using on this post for anonymity because I can't quote people without it picking a different username.

So you are original OP from first thread but new user id to what I tagged yesterday? X

Jesus. It's starting to sound like a bloody cult!

First time posting on this thread and I did read all of the other one before it was deleted, tbh I'm more worried about getting jumped on by all of you than I have been in Lisa's group, but I feel I have to say something. In the post where she asked for feedback I did reply and give constructive feedback/criticism, nothing bad happened to me, nobody piled on me, I didn't get thrown out, nobody pmed me, in fact Lisa just said 'Thank you'. I really don't recognise the way that you are all trying to portray her in here at all. And no, I don't know her, I am not a friend of hers, I have just been a page follower for some time.

"Could it be said that you were harassing her or her team sending an indiscriminate amount of messages / emails / phone calls? Asking unreasonable or unanswerable amounts of questions?"

The original OP hadn't done any of the above but out of interest @Therewasalittlegirl77 what constitutes "an unreasonable amount questions" when you're spending £2k? Three questions, five, ten? I'm intrigued at what point you think the number becomes "unreasonable" and "indiscriminate". In my businesses, clients and potential clients are free to ask as many questions as they like. I wouldn't deem any amount unreasonable personally.

Do you mind if I ask what you asked/said.

Sorry if my message seemed like I was digging out the OP. I wasn’t at all.
I absolutely agree with you.
my main issue was the blocking and to be devils advocate I was asking could there be anything to justify the blocking of OP that I wasn’t aware of. I read all of the first deleted thread and this one too and there has been nothing to suggest that the OP HAD done anything to justify the blocking but I wanted to ask outright - if that makes sense? certainly didn’t want to come across as unsupportive of OP etc. I’m very upset by how this all played out for the OP. It appears to have been a most unpleasant and avoidable situation.

Were you in RRR? I am not really interested in feeding the behaviour in here to be quite honest, but it was something that if Lisa and her affiliates were the way you are all trying to make out, then I would have had the negative reaction people are trying to say they were afraid of. She just said 'Thank you'. Honestly this thing on here is beyond ridiculous, and does seem personal. Nobody has to work with her, you can just go to anyone else you find who you think will provide what you need, you don't have to follow her?