Why did the "Lisa Johnson One to Many" thread get deleted?

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I've seen the deletion message but don't understand why the comments that broke talk guidelines couldn't have been deleted and the rest of the thread left to stand.

Lisa Johnson claims that she had it removed because she put pressure on MN to do so.

Can anyone from MNHQ clarify please?

Thank you @Therewasalittlegirl77 and @TheShellBeach
@ashell (wrong name but can't delete!)

I've also had other serious life stuff going on and honestly having to deal with Lisa's unpleasantness was the rotten cherry on an already rancid cake.

She had absolutely no concern for me whatsoever, everything was about protecting her brand no matter what and I can't forgive her for that because it was totally unnecessary.

Posters here piling on to defend Lisa without knowing what happened really sticks in my craw to be honest.

I'm with you @BeMorePositive. I find the 'sympathy' and 'concern' for the original poster coming from people who themselves were responsible for name calling on the original post, somewhat sickening. (on the original thread on 16th March, 10:01 just for reference for one example).

I'm sure anyone reading this thread can draw their own conclusions. Lisa isn't hard to find on social media if you have questions.

Remember behind all these anonymous names, on BOTH sides, there are REAL people. I'd hate for my children, or any of my family in fact, to be subjected to anything like some of what has happened on these threads. Before commenting is it something you would want your child to be on the receiving end of. Something to consider going forward perhaps.

All the best x x

If only Lisa had considered that before she talked about me and impugned my character.

Whatever other posters said, I was always fair and accurate and did not deserve what she did and said about me.

Sorry, name change fail there, will ask Mumsnet to amend.

It's very sad that some people, even with all the facts from @OriginalOP are still defending the indefensible.

@GiddyGoldHam i think it’s an excellent summary of what happened

@OriginalOP i hope you are ok

Im also very pleased that MN took the risk of you being outed in that way very seriously. At least, LJ anger hasn’t made too much damage. But the risk was real. And it was never ok for LJ to put you in that position.

Im really sorry that simply asking for opinions and experiences turned out into such an ordeal.

I was on the previous thread. I explained that a few years ago I went down a rabbit hole splashing £££ on these programmes, which included being taught how to run them myself.

I was/am a highly educated, serious professional - and I still got sucked in when I was at a low point in my life.

I finally came to my senses, built 2 businesses and spent £ outsourcing to experts.

But once you've been taught the structure and techniques, you can see it everywhere.

• prices end in a 7

• there is often a free FB group/challenge event as a funnel to the paid for programme

• there will be a series of online launch events to hype everyone up that follow a very consistent pattern (I've got a ton of screenshots of presentations of lots of big players from when I was watching them and trying to get tips)

• false scarcity (doors close and who knows when we'll do it again, price will go up next time, bonuses only available to to people signing up in first 24 hours)

• bundle of "high value" bonuses which are heavily discounted (the valuation having been pulled out of their arses) "this is normally £1997 but just today for you we're adding it in for just £197! Don't delay this won't be available after tomorrow!!"

• the structure of the sales pages are all very similar

• use Neuro-Linguistic Programming techniques (designed to be persuasive/manipulative)

• lots of "I invested a gazillion pounds in myself and you need to if you are going to be a serious business person"

Also, many of the "bigger" coaches all promote each other

That’s my experience too @TheWayOfTheWorld

I've been on the periphery of the LJ world for quite a while and avidly reading this thread as well as the original, which was deleted.

However, seeing LJ's latest post has really rubbed me up the wrong way and I feel I have to comment and speak up against it.

She said...
"Imagine having to tell the world when you’ve barely had time to explain to your very young kids that you have cancer simply because of trolling and bullying all over social media and the internet, mostly by anonymous people in forums.
Yes that’s what Kate has been forced to do simply to try to make it stop.
The ability to use the internet while hiding under anonymity needs to be stopped. It hurts so many people.

Some of the same people that throw out #bekind because everyone else does every time someone being trolled online takes their life are some of the same people that think hiding under anonymity to ‘have their say’ about a public figure is ok.

Internet forums need to take responsibility and do more to stop this happening and start putting people over harmful threads which get engagement and therefore advertising profits.
Morals over money. Always."

I am, of course, against bullying and trolling, online and in life but I think what has really got to me about this is that, in my opinion, she is using Kate's situation as a thinly veiled attempt to justify her and defend her behaviour to somehow make herself look like a defender of the people and all that is just.

The flip side of the coin is that anonymity is vital in many cases to give people a voice and a safe space where they can express themselves and views without fear of reprisal, retaliation and excommunication because they dare question or disagree with somebody else who is in a position of power over them.

Frankly, it is my opinion that the way LJ has handled this whole situation has shown her in a very negative light and I would implore anybody to have a very good think about the type of character they want to give thousands of pounds to and look on as a mentor before making any decisions that they may feel compelled to as the result of being in an echo chamber.

Absolutely agree and also posters on this thread have politely reminded others to reconsider posts and language used in a bid to keep this thread factual and clean without resorting to name calling. So as far as I am aware and hope it continues, this thread cannot be described as trolling or bullying.
using the incredibly upsetting news of The Princess of Wales’ health condition as a way to make a point about something doesn’t feel nice. “Morals over money always” please people..

Twenty quid says she starts campaigning for anonymous sites to be banned or something along those lines.

Very possibly.

I think what I find particularly galling about her post is, in my opinion, the inference that she too is just like Kate and is getting bullied and trolled just because she’s a public figure.

when LJ does it, it’s “calling out.”

anybody that dares disagree with her, it’s “bullying.”

100% this

I predict that post will be deleted. It's terribly crass.

@WonTooMany wow that post from Lisa Johnson was crass so say the least. Using the news of someone 8n the limelight like this to attack and make a point isn’t as ethical as she seems to think….

Is it still there?

I've just seen it - so distasteful.

@OriginalOP your original discussion (and this one) was fair, measured, and brought a lot of well-needed discussions to light. I'm so sorry you went through the wringer with the whole thing, it was really undeserved and the OTM team were unprofessional. I've existed on the periphery of the LJ sphere (have worked with one of her affiliates previously) and although I didn't agree with their tactics I always respected the business they've built. We've really seen a dark side of it through this situation.

As someone who really loves learning specialist things (I already work with a coach for more general business stuff and she's great), how do you know the wheat from the chaff when it comes to buying courses? I purchased an excellent value-packed and very specific ads course recently which I loved (£150), but have also spent the same amount of money on something just as specialist that was just a huge waste of time and money.

I've always been very interested in the tactics of MLM-style sellers and can spot them a mile off (though nearly got drawn in to OTM this year despite all I know!). I think coaches teaching people how to coach is always a bit of a red flag, but what are the green flags for the good ones?

Great questions. I would also like to know some green flags from those who have more experience in this kind of stuff.

The high pressure scarcity selling is a red flag for me.

Getting rid of anonymity is scary for those without power and influence.

In RRR, Lisa Johnson posted about the integrity of the launch and asked for feedback. I was tempted to reply and give my negative impression, but after seeing the oodles of praise, I stopped myself. I envisioned getting piled on by the masses. Or told my mindset was wrong. Or having my comment deleted altogether. There was an element of groupthink that I didn’t like.

Little sole traders and small businesses can’t speak up against someone with greater power and influence. That’s why anonymity is vital, even if there is ugliness that comes from it.

Well here's the thing, Lisa - should people who aren't anonymous, stand by their posts? Or should they be allowed to delete them, like you do?

Also, is it acting with integrity to delete posts and questions that have been asked with real names in a Facebook group?

I don't think you can pick and choose, here. If integrity is posting non-anonymously, then integrity should also mean not deleting those questions and discussions.

A coupe of posters have asked about selecting coaches and courses etc.
Ive been in business for about 20 years and its usual for me to be part of something to support my business. For context I've taken part in a big usa course and coaching, masterminds, one to ones, mentors over this time period.
Here's my advice:
Be clear on what you need. What are the gaps you want to fill?
What's the best way for you to receive that support? Is it one to one or is it in a group?
Check that the expected outcomes are what you require - eg if you need to learn how best sell on Amazon find a way to get exactly that and not a course on selling via a website.
Then look at the coach/course leader carefully.
Google them, check out reviews, Reddit, look up their experience on LinkedIn.
If they are in the UK and turnover more than 80K? They will need to be VAT registered, if they aren't and say they turnover 6 figures then you need to look closely.
You are legally required to carry certain information on your website in the uk - if they don't then walk away as they don't have the fundamentals in place for their own business.
Look up the business accounts on Companies House, this free.
Read who recommends them and check them out too.
Try a small sample of what they teach to see if their style resonates with you.
Keep the focus all the time on what you actually need.

This is the last thing I’m going to post on this

As someone who knows Lisa and has actually met her not just online but in the flesh I will say
she is a real person, with very real feelings

if anyone has looked at Lisa’s socials she has been bullied herself pretty badly openly now talks about it and this is why she is so passionate about anti bullying and why if people are lying about her or something she has done she will fight to have it removed as the cause for her is greater

she is also a wife and amazing mother, friend, supportive mentor and has worked and continues to work hard for herself and her family

she does lots of really kind things which aren’t announced to the world which I have had a first hand experience of and she doesn’t go round telling everyone she does these things because she’s a good person with a good heart and she cares

I’m not trying and know I won’t convince anyone here any different to what you already think because your minds are made up

To the original poster if you felt stressed out or upset I wouldn’t wish that on anyone and not matter what anyone on here thinks neither would Lisa. And a conversation is all it would have took

although I’ve not discussed the details with Lisa personally so this my assumption in regards to the refund she gives everyone their 14 day cooling off period so if you sign up in excitement but then decided OTM wasn’t for you, you have 14 days to cancel with a refund so if she felt the OP was unsure and uneasy then a refund is the best option for everyone.

in regards to outing anyone I don’t believe Lisa Would have ever done anything to disclose your identity. Yes she’ll talk to her community about what is happening and what she is going through but she wouldn’t use personal names

and people can say “oh as a business person know you just need to sit on your hands and not respond” - why? Why should you not be allowed to respond when people are lying about you and your work

if someone who had a genuine bad experience with OTM would have come forward and commented and discussed their experience Lisa wouldn't have minded or said anything because its real feedback

so from someone who has actually met her and knows her ( i'm not a stupid person I'm not someone who can be taken for a mug so
i'm not having no wool pulled over my eyes ) Lisa is a kind genuine person who actually does care but will also fight for what she believes in. But
please remember she is human with feelings too and hurts.

Anyway thats me have a great rest of your weekend everyone