Why did the "Lisa Johnson One to Many" thread get deleted?

[PermanentIyExhaustedPigeon]

I've seen the deletion message but don't understand why the comments that broke talk guidelines couldn't have been deleted and the rest of the thread left to stand.

Lisa Johnson claims that she had it removed because she put pressure on MN to do so.

Can anyone from MNHQ clarify please?

Thing if you can defend her as much as you like and me and others can say we disagree and think she acted really unprofessionally until we're blue in the face.

Nothing will change but I'm very glad this thread is here for anyone googling to get a proper oversight of Lisa.

It’s fascinating. People supporting Lisa say that some people on this thread will only say negative things, and that they don’t want to be persuaded otherwise. The same could be said of them. Lisa said some really horrible things. But still she can do no wrong it would seem. She’s just defending herself they say. Or the other people were awful (some were – that’s still not a good reason) etc etc etc I would have loved to have seen a Lisa supporter on here say “I bought her courses and they’re great but she was out of order with what she posted” Because she was. I find it bizarre that some people can’t see both sides.

A Lisa supporter called me out on one of the facts I wrote about Lisa’s book launch. I felt the book launch lacked integrity. I was told it was normal and everyone did it. I’m more than happy to be corrected. So I asked for examples of other people who are launching/have launched publicly (rather than hiding a private group) in the same way Lisa did (ie give away huge amounts of stuff worth more than books if you bulk bought the book in the first week and therefore manipulated the best sellers algorithm). No reply. Don’t just spout things or repeat Lisa. Back your arguments up! I really don't mind being proven wrong. And get this - I even apologise when I am 😉

A Lisa supporter wrote that Lisa was calling just some of the people names and not everyone. And that what she wrote on MN was fine. Really? Really? And even if it was just those people she was calling names, is it still OK? No, it’s not! In the same way that the deleted thread had horrible comments that weren’t OK. Lisa said something along the lines of “I probably shouldn't have said it but I was angry.” What’s wrong with just apologising? With saying “I used language that I shouldn’t have done, I called people names, it’s wrong, I shouldn’t have done it, no matter what, I’m sorry.” But, you have to be able to admit that you’re in the wrong to do that and I've never seen Lisa do that.

It's really hard to get an unbiased opinion of Lisa. Anyone who has never heard of her and reads this thread will see that. Including seeing that her supporters won’t call her out on name calling and other things that she shouldn’t have said and are wrong.

I wrote a likes and dislikes post on the deleted thread. Here we go again. Just so that anyone who is thinking about buying anything from Lisa can get a more balanced view.

Likes

1. It’s amazing what she has achieved. I applaud it.
2. I love, love, love that if you choose to pay in instalments you don’t pay a whopping huge amount more like other coaches do (yeah, yeah I know she’s not a coach but she coaches people so….). This is really commendable.
3. Her groups are great. As long as you don’t step out of line by asking a question she/her team doesn’t like.
4. I’ve seen some amazing acts of kindness. She invited people who were on their own on Boxing Day round to her house. What a truly beautiful thing to do.
5. She occasionally talks about her life not being rosy all the time. Again I applaud this. So many people will look at her life and other wealthy people and think that if only they had that, then everything would be amazing. She debunks that sometimes.
6. She knows her stuff (although see point 7)

Dislikes

1. It’s hard to find an unbiased view about her. Or indeed any review of her outside her inner circle. As someone who likes to read reviews, I neither like nor trust that. Indeed the deleted thread was started because the original OP wanted feedback from people outside her Facebook group.
2. If you use integrity as a selling point and something to differentiate yourself from others, then you have to work with integrity all the time, not just when it suits you. Personally I don’t think she does (refer back in the thread to my post about her book launch).
3. If you post a question in her group that she doesn’t like (not offensive, just tricky) your post will be deleted and you may get blocked. I have seen posts being deleted before the admin has chance to remove it. And in the deleted thread someone said she was blocked by Lisa/her team for asking a perfectly reasonable question about OTM. Also not working with integrity.
4. She says to do your due diligence before buying but then doesn’t support you doing so. See point 3 plus her response to a perfectly good question from the OP on the deleted thread.
5. I really disliked the launch of OTM this year. It felt like a feeding frenzy at the zoo with all the affiliates and “bonuses.”
6. She has a TEDx logo on her YT channel but I can’t find any evidence of her doing a TEDx talk. Happy to remove this point and apologise if I’m wrong. Otherwise I feel it’s misleading. And misleading does not equal integrity.
7. I once saw someone ask about evergreen products in her group. Lisa didn’t have any at the time and she said something along the lines of “there’s no such thing as evergreen.” Absolute nonsense. If she doesn’t know something she should say “sorry, I don’t know” but she doesn’t.
8. She uses the “they’re just jealous” line when someone says something about her she doesn’t like. I have nothing but 🙄🙄🙄🙄 for anyone who says this.
9. Personally I think she overeggs some of the jobs she might have had in the past. For example, she’ll say “I know because I was a lawyer” about some legal point when in fact she worked in family law for not very long. I did a law degree and wouldn’t dream of saying “I know because I studied law”. She also “forecasts” recessions and downturns because “I worked as a business analyst”. Again 🙄 Anyone who is in business who keeps an eye on the economy “forecasts” these things long before Lisa mentions them. My husband would roll around with laughter if I said was forecasting them when Lisa does and tell me my forecast is about 4 months late!
10. I feel that her response to the original thread was atrocious. Both what she posted on her FB page and her response on MN. People on here are making excuses for her. There aren’t any excuses. We all make mistakes and I accept that. But in my book, when you make a mistake you then apologise.
11. She played the sexist card when it was no such thing. She took one comment about one man from a 29 page thread and made a massive deal out of it being sexist, whilst ignoring comments that recommended women. She basically said that the man was only recommended because he was a man. I think most men would find that comment sexist.
12. She post things on her FB page to stir up a frenzy of supporters saying how awful other people are that are saying these things and how amazing she is. Some people like that. I don't.

So that’s me over and out. Have a great weekend beautiful people 🙂☀🌊

You’re correct. It certainly did feel like retaliation.

Cambridge online dictionary states:
Retaliation:

the act of hurting someone or doing something harmful to someone because they have done or said something harmful to you.

Having said that I can’t recall the defamatory or harmful remarks from the original, now deleted post from last week.

I can recall posters posting as if they were replying to Lisa in the belief that either her or her team was watching and some comments could have been deemed argumentative or antagonistic possibly.

I can recall posters challenging methods and claims made by Lisa or her affiliates - that was uncomfortable as posters were unable to find evidence to substantiate claims that had been made for various people but as a part of due diligence one would expect to be researched in this way and variances challenged by a potential client or investor.

Please correct me if I am wrong on this as I’m happy to understand.

It very much felt like a retaliation which was unpleasant to watch unfold and provided me with an opportunity to make my own judgement.

I did not feel the comments made on facebook were directed at a minority of MumsNet users, but at the platform and its users as a whole, and so as a user myself felt that was directed at me as much as anybody else using this site.

Moving forward I would be very grateful if MN can make contact with the original ORIGINAL Poster from the deleted thread to make sure they are ok as all of this has come about as a result of them asking a question and I know that they were provided with a refund and blocked by Lisa / Lisas team and that cannot have left a very nice feeling for the OOP and I for one feel sorry for them possibly feeling stuck in the middle of all this.

peace and love everyone ☮️

How did Lisa even identify the OP of the other thread? I don't get it. If 1.2k people have signed up to this year's OTM, how did she know which one was asking on MN for reviews?

I can't remember now, but she was worried that Lisa would doxx her, so she asked MNHQ to change her user name.

She was under the impression that she was going to be mentioned by Lisa Johnson at an event. Then when Lisa Johnson herself came onto the thread, she was concerned that Lisa would also look for her other MN posts and refer to things in them in whatever the event thing was going to be. Lisa had her real name through the signing up and reaching out obviously and the OP didn't want any of that connecting to things she'd said elsewhere on MN.
HQ agreed clearly that her fear of being "outed" was real. It's very rare they change all a person's posts for them.

Well, I'm halfway through the "Coaches Coaching Coaches" podcast episode I linked further up and it is fascinating

LJ and her affiliates are literally straight out of the playbook. It's like The Script or something.

Right down to telling your target market how much you spent on coaching for yourself to become as successful as you are, as a marketing strategy. It's all there. Incredible.

Yes I remember all that. But how did LJ then find her on FB and know who she was to refund her and write a snarky post about knowing when to refuse to work with someone ?

That's the bit I'm confused about - how was the RL person linked with the MN user?

Not correct. Nothing about an event was mentioned on the original thread.

It was a Facebook Live, that was what the OP was worried LJ would talk about her in. Not name her, to be clear, but discuss the thread and possibly lead to her being outed accidentally. I've got the original thread here in front of me so I can prove it.

Exactly - it was a Facebook live. Not an event! Two different things

No snarking. Just keeping it factual :)

And you said I was snarky 😂

Original OP was clearly correct as they WERE identified as a refund was processed and OP was blocked. And yes as I understand it there was a follow up facebook post talking about how you can choose what clients you work with which made for uncomfortable reading.

I believe the user name was maybe somehow linked to their real life name / facebook name. From what I could understand original OP was also concerned that once “outed” or at least alluded to being who they were they were concerned that all of their Mumsnet usage could be found / searched / read / commented on. OP was quite stressed and concerned about this if I remember correctly. Their concerns were not without foundation given that they WERE identified and refunded without requesting a refund and subsequently blocked.

It was.
A FB Live event was mentioned.

I’m pretty sure I recall the word “event” being used in the original thread to describe a facebook live that was imminent. Either way, the original OP was concerned of being identified and / or outed in some way.

Absolutely, and arguing semantics like this is not a good look.

Thank you for your post, @OriginalOP

I hope you're okay. You've been put through the wringer because of this, and you didn't deserve it at all.

Lisa Johnson conveniently forgot that you'd been extremely positive about her and about OTM to start with. You were doing your due diligence.

What she did to you as a result of the first thread was unacceptable and has not shown LJ in a good light at all.

Hi @OriginalOP

Firstly, I want to just check in that you are doing ok as reading the time line of events on your post above creates a feeling of unease for me so I hope you are ok after all this furore.

I can imagine how I would be feeling if I were in your shoes and so I hope you have people around you who you trust to talk this through with and process.

Secondly, thank you for posting and clarifying your experience.

For me, your post says everything that needs to be said on this matter.

Overall this has been a truly unpleasant scene for me to watch unfold and I hope this can put an end to it all now 🤞🏼

lots of best wishes being sent your way xxx

I agree - in amongst all of this has been a real person who’s had to deal with all of this stuff going on around them as a result of asking a perfectly reasonable question as a result of investing a substantial amount of money into something. 😔