Pregnant people?! It's 'women'

[BIWI]

Two links to surveys today, from Kings College London and Cardiff University. Both surveys wanting to speak to 'pregnant people'.

It's women who get pregnant and give birth. Male members of our society are unable to conceive, grow and birth babies.

Please, please, please - why are you accepting these requests? Do you not read them first? (Especially seeing as you allow them to post their links for free).

I'm appalled that Mumsnet is now complicit in erasing the word 'woman'.

What I am looking for is examples. Which you still can't give. Quite surprising really given there was PLENTY as much as a year ago.

No.

I'm not sure I can, I'm 48 years old. My DM certainly can't, nor my MIL.

Women: adult female humans. Only women and girls can get pregnant, not all women and girls. Both your mother and mother in law could, when they were in their fertile years, right? You know this.

OK, let's be super precise. Female means having a body organised around the production of large gametes and the ability to gestate. Organised is the key word here. We're talking about how the female body develops in utero and in life. Things can go wrong at many points and an individual woman may not be able to become pregnant or she may choose not to, but she will still be female, just as she is female before puberty and after the menopause, and if she has a hysterectomy.

I can't be arsed to spend my evening unhiding parts of the boards to try and find posts for you tbh. Why don't you have a look yourself if you are so keen to prove there are no transphobic people who ever post on Mumsnet? I would hope the mods delete transphobic comments these days. Though I can find you plenty of sexist and misogynistic comments, and apologists for racism, and ableist comments, though sometimes they are deleted also. Out of the thousands and thousands of posters on Mumsnet who come here from Twitter, Facebook, Daily Mirror, Daily Mail, The Sun and everywhere else posters descend from where MN links and posts are repeated, are you honestly saying that no-one out of all those posters has transphobic views or posts transphobic comments? That MN is some kind of idyll where no-one is rude or unkind? Get real.

Though I can find you plenty of sexist and misogynistic comments

Yes, for instance the notion that being a woman is nothing but a vague, stereotypical essence a man can have.

Both your mother and mother in law could, when they were in their fertile years, right?

Actually MIL had ovarian cancer very young, and DH was adopted, so I've no idea.

That's terrible. Who said that? Perhaps you should report the post.

I have a bitch living with me. She is a nice bitch and great company but if she were to have problems giving birth the local hospital will not offer birthing services to her.

The cow next door gave birth and has bit of mastitis but we dont talk. 🤷

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You are the one who stated it - there's plenty of transphobia. It's a pretty big accusation to put out there. Why should I go traipsing round posts trying to find them for you, surely you'd remember. If you can't back it up with receipts don't throw it out. Pretty simple.

If I saw any racist, sexist or homophobic posts they'd stand out as they are abhorrent to me. Yet you can't muster up even one example? One of us definitely needs to get real (hint - it's not me, I know what a woman is).

Actually MIL had ovarian cancer very young, and DH was adopted, so I've no idea.

Ok. But they are female. Your mother was once fertile. Biological sex is about reproduction. People of either sex not being able to, or wanting to reproduce on an individual level doesn't negate the scientific reality of biological sex.

That's terrible. Who said that?

It's at the heart of the ideology you are deferring to.

What a defeatist attitude, and also one that ignores the fact that humans, like all the other mammals, are a sexually dimorphic species. There will always be female humans and male humans, and it will always be hardwired into the human brain to recognise which sex another human is, usually on sight. There is no way round this. None of the mammals have evolved to get rid of biological sex. What we can change, and far more easily than our biology, is the way we organise our society, the expectations we have of the different sexes, the way we treat each other. We have made huge strides towards doing this in the last century and a half. Women in the UK now have equal rights to education with men and, technically anyway, are not debarred from any academic subjects or any specific jobs. We have maternity rights and rights not to be discriminated against on grounds of our sex. We were making some progress to get rid of gender stereotyping and then along came this nightmare of gender self-ID. Gender ideologues look at a little girl with short hair playing with trucks and say it's fine for her to do these things as long as she accepts that actually she's a boy. This is even worse than the sexists and conservatives of yore telling her she's a tomboy and needs to be more girly. At least in the latter case she may make it to adulthood with her body and physical health intact.

Ok, I'll agree with you. There is no transphobia on MN. I'll say anything not to traipse through the MN search function.

I was called a 'birthing person' to denote having a uterus, etc ...

I am very proud of how I responded. I used several words and didn't call anyone bad names.

Ok, I'll agree with you. There is no transphobia on MN. I'll say anything not to traipse through the MN search function.

None you can evidence, no.

Why is that such an onerous task? If you haven't seen it, you shouldn't have been so quick to claim you had.

I don't subscribe to any ideology. You seem to know an awful lot about it though.

Women do not control the narrative of what women are. Women is a patriarchal term imposed on female people to control their behaviour and mark out the members of the species that are capable of reproduction

No. Gender stereotypes and sex roles are used to control women.
This won't change by not using the word woman which is just the term for adult human females to distinguish us from other species.

I can understand young female children running headlong into the arms of the trans cult because older feminists say that they cant be female unless they agree to become a woman, with all that entails in today's pornified world

They can't not be women though. Pretending you aren't a woman won't change female oppression.

For years we've been trying to get rid of the sexist gender roles and stereotypes, then trans identity ideology now NEEDS to enforce the stereotypes in order to keep up the pretence that a man is a woman if he performs the sexist stereotypes. All they do is follow the stereotypes of the opposite sex.

How the fuck is this in any way shape or form progressive or empowering to women?

That's not what women are. They are just females of any presentation or personality.

Yes you do, or you wouldn't give this nonsense houseroom.

Women are adult human female people. There's no way a man can know what it feels like.

How many trans men are currently pregnant in the UK? 1, 2?

How many women are currently pregnant in the UK? Well 800,000 per year so maybe 500,000 at any one time.

It’s offensive.

Don’t get me started on “chestfeeding”!

And what you were clutching your pearls about, @actualpuffins, the terrible "rudeness" you perceived on the thread and complained about, was someone acknowledging the reality of biological sex. That "trans men" are not actual men, and can only get pregnant because they are biological women. Because only women can get pregnant.

Thankyou - Gaspode your statement:
Gender ideologues look at a little girl with short hair playing with trucks and say it's fine for her to do these things as long as she accepts that actually she's a boy. This is even worse than the sexists and conservatives of yore telling her she's a tomboy and needs to be more girly. At least in the latter case she may make it to adulthood with her body and physical health intact.
I think this is exactly what happened. Especially to little boys -

I've seen it but some time ago - I generally avoid the area and don't get involved. People seem a little obsessive.

Do any trans people post on MN, I wonder? Do they find it inclusive?