To be bored of the trans hate?

[DaisyUpsy]

Ok, there are extremists (like the punch people in the face person), extremists can be found in many areas of life but is anyone else fed up of the trans stuff constantly being dragged up?

I've seen some ridiculous statements on here recently. Everything gets something added related to trans when it's totally irrelevant. It's getting boring. Trans extremists are not the norm so can we stop pretending they are?

I suspect the BBC is one of the orgs Helen Joyce was hinting at in her recent interview with Peter Boghossian - someone high up in an org with a trans child means the whole organisation is not allowed to speak.

Lots of concern here about rape by all sorts of pertetrators. Why say an untruth?

FFS some of you really need to learn what is male pattern behaviour and why 98% of sex crime is committed by men, mostly towards women.

Can you not see that insisting on using sex based pronouns when the other person has indicated that they don't want you to makes it harder for you to ask them not call you something you don't like?

Pronouns are sex based.

Individuals can develop their own language, but they cant get mad others for not playing along.

I can never support calling a man she or her because i know that its important to be able to clearly define and distinguish the sexes for safeguarding. Im suspicious of any adult who chooses not see that.

Exactly. This was epitomised by the ex convict Sarah Jane Barker at Trans Pride in London telling the world that he was going to be all fluffy and nice but couldn't be and said "if you see a terf punch them" to applause.

This is because the EHRC have said female in the equality act means biological female.

He recommends punching in response.

Do you think it’s because breastfeeding and fetish has linked by anti trans posters themselves?

I suspect the BBC is one of the orgs Helen Joyce was hinting at in her recent interview with Peter Boghossian - someone high up in an org with a trans child means the whole organisation is not allowed to speak.

YY. 100%. I thought that was a very astute observation. You can see it in the so called Women's Equality Party too, a huge number of GC members and supposedly there was going to be a member consultation but it was dropped as their major donor was a man with an adult "trans child" and he started throwing his weight about.

Exactly. This was epitomised by the ex convict Sarah Jane Barker at Trans Pride in London telling the world that he was going to be all fluffy and nice but couldn't be and said "if you see a terf punch them" to applause.

This is because the EHRC have said female in the equality act means biological female.

He recommends punching in response.

Yes and some other unhinged TRA male person went to the EHRC and left bottles of piss on their doorstep, then poured it over TRAself.

Do you think it’s because breastfeeding and fetish

No one has linked mothers breastfeeding and fetish. At all.

Women say no to having spaces made mixed sex

Men threaten that with violence

How do posters equate saying no with violence?

Pronouns are sex based.

Cis just means the same.

You have a cervix so cervix haver is accurate.

You can see how the conversation reaches a dead end and we are no closer to solving the issue. I just don't understand who benefits.

Obviously it is your choice how you want to speak but I can't get on board with either side being so determined to refer to people in ways they don't like. It just seems to fan the flames!

I mean why are both sides extreme? One is actual violence the other not

So basically you think if a woman uses nipple clamps or any sex toys related to nipples and breastfeeds she is also a sexual predator ?

Women know the primary purpose of breasts. We are mammals. Erotic stimulation is secondary to that.

Men don't have that primary purpose for their nipples.

He uses his otherwise purposeless nipples for erotic stimulation.

Not that complicated.

When men can say that they're women and we can't challenge or even say there are differences between the 2 sexes then we have a problem.
Transwomen do not need to be in therapy sessions for women who have suffered a miscarriage, they don't need to join female only menopause sessions, they don't need to join endometriosis support groups, lesbian dating apps or try and book smear tests but some of them do amd there's absolutely nothing we can do about it!
I say this from experience. Our LA and NHS trusts no longer have women's networks, we have to have women+ networks. Our commisioned mh contracts have to let transwomen into all of their sessions even though this means other women have to leave (I know personally of at least 1 community health project for south asian women which had to end after a transwoman insisted on joining). Every single 1 of my colleagues say privately that the situation is ridiculous but the translobby is so powerful that people can't and won't speak out. A social worker has already lost her job for questioning the social contagion factor of transitioning.
We don't treat our young people with anorexia with liposuction we treat them to accept the body that they have. We don't tell our young people with schizophrenia that the delusions that they are suffering from telling them that they are royalty and god are real, we tell them that they are symptoms of them being unwell.
Only a tiny percentage of the population are actually suffering from body dismorphia, a large proportion of transwomen are unfortunately men with a fetish, misogynists or worse.

Exactly this. Especially for the ones spouting the usual 'you're all anti-trans' but failing to provide any evidence. I'm still waiting btw.

Cis just means the same.

"Cis" is meaningless ideological language. So are non sex based pronouns.

You have a cervix so cervix haver is accurate.

Given that some women require surgical removal of their cervix, that excludes them so sticking to women for biological females works best and is most genuinely inclusive.

This is naive. Firstly, it’s not hatred of trans people. It’s simply saying we have sex segregation in specific situations s for safeguarding reasons or fairness to women and girls. There is no case that men who identify as trans are less of a risk to women than other men. There is no evidence that men who identify as women lose their male advantage in sport. There is no way to keep what you call cis men out of women’s spaces when you remove sex segregation.

Your argument results in the conclusion that we put women at greater risk to accommodate men who identify as women. I, and other feminists, argue that that is deeply wrong and a deeply anti-women approach. It certainly is not one that treats women as equal humans to men.

Transwomen do not need to be in therapy sessions for women who have suffered a miscarriage, they don't need to join female only menopause sessions, they don't need to join endometriosis support groups, lesbian dating apps or try and book smear tests but some of them do amd there's absolutely nothing we can do about it!

This. To the "I take everyone at face value" people, why do males wish to join these groups, do you think?

Sorry but any man who insists on taking hormones to pretend to feed a baby is a weirdo. Also, in the latest picture, the baby is visibly distressed.

Anyone who puts this man's feelings (which at best, is his selfish need to be validated, at worst, he's getting turned on - if not both!!!) above a baby's welfare is an absolute idiot and should be ashamed

You have a cervix so cervix haver is accurate

I ain't got one.

You have a cervix so cervix haver is accurate.

Language like this and ‘cis’ is non accessible which is why the Plain English campaign exists

It is also more prevalent for women than men.

You have a cervix so cervix haver is accurate.

My cervix was removed when I had a hysterectomy for cervical cancer. Doesn't make me any less female, though.

Cis just means the same.

You have a cervix so cervix haver is accurate.

Cis is a chemistry term I believe. It was first used in this context by (iirc) a German paedophile, or pro-paedophile. It’s a word that is simply not needed. All women are women, because they are women - adult human females. No man can be a woman. Cis is an attempt to “other” women so TW feel validated.

Jo’s Trust ran a campaign a while ago highlighting the fact that around half of all women in the UK don’t know what a cervix is, or that they have them. If we go down the route of calling some people cervix havers, knowing that a very large number of women doesn’t know that they are a cervix haver, who is this going to hurt? It’s only women who are set to lose out here, there’s no corresponding examples where men’s issues are not clearly aimed at men, and no examples where men’s language is changing to prostate haver, or penis owner. It’s all one sided, with women losing out on our language. Why? Who does this benefit? Certainly not women!

If you think women being raped is wrong, you campaign against social and proposed legal changes that increase opportunities for women and girls to be raped, sexually assaulted and subject to sexual voyeurism. You campaign against men who get off on women having been raped access to women only groups for survivors of sexual assault.

That’s why we are speaking out on gender ideology.