MN needs a closer watch of FWR

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There is a concerning growth of posts with racist undertones cropping up on these boards, all under the guise of being proudly 'anti-woke'.

Apparently diversity is 'woke' and worthy of derision.

This is the thread I'm referring to here.

Disney went woke now they're going broke www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4836570-disney-went-woke-now-theyre-going-broke

Mumsnet needs to looks at why that board draws such types of posts, and why posters feel so comfortable openly airing their racism.

Yep , strange that ! , this just seems like a post to complain and vilify fwr posters for threads that many didn't post or agree with.

Cis is considered a slur on mn .

Thank you for pointing this out - I also did the same check and discovered only constructive dialogue in that thread. And that's the trouble with all this alleging this and that about boards /posters. Unless someone actually goes and researches, the allegations are taken as fact. However, Jemima (the wiki expert) was just thanked. And there were no deletions on that thread.

I wonder how many of the other wild assertions about the board would collapse under the same scrutiny?

mrsoverton

yes it can be very difficult, I used to believe just about everything and it was only when someone mentioned a specific poster that i thought ‘that doesn’t sound like them’ and went to look

I'll ask the same question I asked of the poster you quoted (although I'll expand on it), which they conveniently didn't answer by the way:

From your post, it seems you do see racist posts on other boards, is that right?

If that's the case, when people point out that there are racist posts on AiBU or Chat, do you post to agree with them or do you ignore and think it's not your fight or do you disagree with them because you can't see any racist post?

If you do see and agree, do you report these racist posts too or do you ignore and think it's not your fight?

Do you talk about the racists posts on other boards only when people are pointing out the racist posts on FWR or do you usually speak up about the racist posts on other boards? In other words, are you doing the usual "Don't look here, look there" tactics that many (not all) FWR posters do when challenged or are you genuinely calling out what you think is hypocrisy because no one backs you up when you're calling out racist posts on other boards?

What can GC women really do about it though?

If GC feminists say water is wet, and the entire political left except GC feminists say water is dry, and the far right says water is wet, what are we supposed to do? Pretend water is dry?

This actually is a good example. Yes fear of being thought racist was definitely a major factor in how badly the poor children in Rotherham were let down by the authorities (though class also played a part) but the majority of grooming gangs in this country are actually white.

Whenever this is pointed out, people get very upset.

Can you please provide an example? I honestly have not seen this. I've seen a fairly blanket condemnation of the grooming of children and young people on MN and in FWR.

Do you talk about the racists posts on other boards only when people are pointing out the racist posts on FWR or do you usually speak up about the racist posts on other boards? In other words, are you doing the usual "Don't look here, look there" tactics that many (not all) FWR posters do when challenged

This is still an unevidenced accusation.

You're conveniently dodging the question.

I'm on there all the time (when I'm not gardening) and I can't say I've ever noticed you.

Sorry but you are not in any way memorable. I rarely notice names except Rufus. I doubt very much all FWR have a notebook and 'shift' their responses to you all in exactly the same way after one comment. That's fucking bonkers.

You're conveniently dodging the question.

The question assumes an admittance of guilt in any answer and in light of the lack of evidence for the accusation.

CandlelightGlow · Yesterday 15:11

I'm also very concerned about the moderation of the FWR forum. I have always found the content of many of the posts there distasteful regarding trans people, but the straw that broke the camel's back for me was a thread where people were openly mocking a picture of a trans man and that is all fine and considered good faith debate, yet deleted my comment which had no personal attacks in it, solely for including the word cis.

I get that not everyone likes the word cis, but to consider it a slur worthy of deletion, that draws a hard line and shows IMO that Mumsnet are content with allowing transphobia to blossom on this site.

@MNHQ I never bothered to challenge that deletion as I chose to step back from the whole sorry board for a while instead, but I think you should be ashamed of yourselves for upholding that decision against my post.

Hmm shall we look at the evidence of that deletion on the FWR board

First thread 23rd January very politely asked not to use CIS, she queries this and is told that yes it's a rule. She tells us to report her, but no one does as it was the first time and instead she was asked not to use it.

3 days later on a different thread Candle uses CIS again. Again, but without the please, she is asked not to use it. She then, from memory as it's now deleted, told me to do one.

you will notice she is deleted on the second thread firstly the CIS comment is deleted as I did report her this time. Then off their own back MNHQ deleted the personal attack on me.

Good answer, i feel this question is being asked not in good faith but as some kind of gotcha , however, yes I report any racist or offensive post that I see regardless of the topic it appears on , however as most of us here I tend to only frequent certain topics, so would be unable to police mn as a whole and obviously this is not my job to do either!

Yeah, you have no answer. No need to be paranoid - there's no agenda here. It doesn't assume anything.

You've said there are racist posts elsewhere, which means you've seen them.

So do you point these out, agree with those who point them out, report these racist posts or do you only say this when people are pointing out racist posts on the board that shall not be questioned?

A simple straightforward answer will do. No one is accusing you of anything.

Same question to you. Funny how a simple question based on what you said is getting people all paranoid.

No one has asked you to police mn or said it's your job either. You seem to be nervously answering questions that haven't been asked.

But thanks for answering part of what I asked. Fair enough, I'll take your word for it. That's all I wanted to know.

Yeah, you have no answer. No need to be paranoid - there's no agenda here. It doesn't assume anything.

You've said there are racist posts elsewhere, which means you've seen them.

Yes. I do call them out/point them out/report them.

I've even been deleted/warned for doing so (in relation to Meghan Markle). I don't even follow the royals and I find posts that demonise her with ill-disguised racism to be abhorrent and it amazes me that so many are allowed to stand.

More broadly, I think you definitely do have an agenda.

Where did this poster say that they saw racist posts elsewhere?

I have already said I don't report anything except spam. What of it? If Mumsnet wants people to be on patrol then they need to get their wallets out. I used to moderate a gardening forum and by golly I'm never doing it again, not for free.

I'm also not sure why it is only posters on FWR whose alleged racism or failure to respond to racism concerns you. Surely this should be something you are raising more generally?

More broadly, I think you definitely do have an agenda.
If you say so; I think it's paranoia talking though.

But thanks for answering...finally. Wasn't so bad, was it? I'm not sure why you were so anxious to answer anyway if the answer you gave is true. But I'll take your word for it too.

“If you do see and agree, do you report these racist posts too or do you ignore and think it's not your fight?”

I report. But I am also rarely on any threads where I see it. I scroll past many threads that I am not interested in. It isn’t hard to do. I also avoid boards I have no interest in. Like those about the Royal family. I am not likely to see those posts.

But like others, I think you have not asked in good faith.

And I'll take your word that your convenient username is just a coincidence and nothing to do with the more common use of the word Karen.

Given that replying isn't so bad (your words) how about you coughing up some of the actual evidence we have asked you for?

Firstly, I'm not sure why you're responding with "I've already said..." because I didn't ask you a question but thanks though.

Secondly, you seem to be good at looking through posts, you'll definitely see where the poster said that there's blatant racism on AIBU and Chat, etc in comparison to FWR if you really want to know, including in the quotes we've been posting.

I used to moderate a gardening forum and by golly I'm never doing it again, not for free.

Ha ha ha @AlisonDonut - GARDENING? In what ways do gardeners get wound up online?

Evidence of what? You mean what you've been displaying here with the inability to answer a simple question based on your "what about AIBU and Chat, don't just talk about FWR" post? That's the evidence but of course I don't expect you to see what you're currently inside.

But like others, I think you have not asked in good faith.

Yeah this rhetoric is boring. I don't think co-opting a word to become anti-woke because so and so did such and such, and it's now our word to use as we like' is in good faith. I don't think tag-teaming when someone questions or disagrees with posters on FWR to ask for "EVIDENCE" is in good faith. But here we are.

Show me the evidence of your claim to report racist posts. I'll like to see the evidence of your claim that anti-woke isn't the same as subtle racism wrapped up in calling out whomever you claim to be calling out as woke.

Show me the evidence of your assumption and accusation that my Karen is your Karen. I'll like to see the evidence of your mindreading qualification please while at it.