Clarification of rules

[MerlinsLostMarbles]

Asking in a new topic to avoid derailing any threads. Is it still against the Mumsnet forum rules to deliberately misgender/deadname a transperson?

Could do with a no-flow chart.

Reminder, one of those rules was not to call people ‘cis’ if they don’t explicitly identify as ‘cis’.

Is ‘reminder’ the new ‘fact’ 🤔

Something of a derail - but do other FWR posters feel the rules here are too strict, too loose or just about right?

I've noticed there aren't that many GC sites other than ovarit. Even the GC section on tattle is pretty quiet. Am I missing any?

If someone claims to id as 'cis' are we obliged to use it? Not that I can think of a scenario where I would what with it being a load of wank.

I really really really really want someone, one day, just once to answer one of these bloody questions! They never do and it is infuriating

Why is your set of gender and identity words important and my set of preferences around the same subject not worthy of listening to and respecting?

Why?

I feel gaslit.

So, legally, referring to R M White’s correct sex is not misgendering, as we don’t have self-id in the UK.

Does anyone know where I can find my gender identity?

@DiscoBoots patriarchal privilege and entitlement, innit?

Have you checked under the sofa alison

Does anyone know where I can find my gender identity?

It's eloped with my sanity.

@AlisonDonut Back of the sofa? Pocket of that coat you've not worn since the weather changed? That drawer with the broken watches, old phones and other useless shite?

committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/12639/pdf

Q24 answer hasn't aged well, given the OSR is examining this data:

"the good thing about the recent census is we have started to get some figures, and it would appear from the recent number crunching of the census that there is one trans person in every 704 in the population. It, perhaps, is still an underestimate because people are still reticent, perhaps, of declaring themselves to the state in terms of numbers. That gives us, perhaps, a handle on how rare what we are talking about is. Broadly one in 1,000, one in 700."

Anyway, Q32:

"It is not actually a practical difficulty. I do not have a GRC. I transitioned just before the Theresa May period, and was looking forward, like the first same sex marriage people, to being the first person on the steps to get an English GRC under the new system and I waited for that, but I practise under my female name. I pay my taxes under my old gender. There is a practical example of why the IT issue we heard about earlier is nonsense because I have one tax number, and I pay my taxes perfectly happily, but I appear to be two different genders if you look in different places for me in the tax records."

@MerlinsLostMarbles cisgender is a word that has only relatively recently become commonly used. Many women simply prefer the term "woman" and therefore should be addressed that way. Surely if you'd argue that trans people have the right to have their pronouns acknowledged then so do men/women? If someone tells you they do not want to be referred to as cis then that should be respected

Hello @MerlinsLostMarbles our guidelines specific to sex and gender discussions explain our moderation position in detail. Ultimately, we aim for a civil and constructive discussion, and will remove posts not in keeping with that aim.

Wrt 'cis' - our guidelines say: Likewise, many feminists are affronted by the term ‘cis’ and ‘terf’, so using these terms will make civil debate less likely. As we’ve said, context is everything – but our moderation team will most likely delete these expressions if we feel they're being used in a deliberately inflammatory way.

Please take a look at the guidelines and if there's anything you need clarity on, ask on the thread or drop us a line at [email protected]

We're moving this to Site Stuff now. For future reference, any questions pertaining to moderation rules should be posted there.

Thanks!

I can do you a definition of a woman to save merlin the embarrassment.

Adult Female Human.

hth🙂

How is it possible to deadname people who post anonymously using screen names as aliases?

should you, IRL, persist in calling me "cis" when i have said not to, you will find yourself on the receiving end of the sharp edge of my tongue.
Just get it through your head: if you want people to respect your pronouns, then you can return the favour and drop the cis on request.

Or you'll find that your pronouns will be what people think matches your appearance, and that will be that.

Yes, seems there's definitely been a shift.
Dylan threads for example.
Called he all the way through the thread, and all that seems to have done is promote some beer and other products on IG, talk to Judy Blume....
Nothing at all to do with rapists, just existing publicly and having a public profile as a trans person.
Just one example.

Dylan still uses Dylan’s male name!

So?
Dylan's a unisex name anyway

also, Dylan is a man, so male pronouns are the correct ones to use

So? So it’s clearly not a ‘deadname’, is it?

Crikey, keep up!

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