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onirgellep · 2023-04-13T22:06:31+00:00

Back in February Justine* committed to an urgent review of moderation of the Sex Board subsequent to the considerable concerns mainly arising from the longstanding Sex Chat thread Unsurprisingly, issues continue Would it be possible to have an update on the progress of the review? And hear when do you anticipate it being completed and the new moderation put into action? Thank you *I'm afraid I'm unable to link Justine's post on the thread *References to Underage Sex on the Sex Board* page 13

Surplus2requirements · 15/04/2023 22:31

TheBayTreeMurder · 15/04/2023 22:25

And this is why it's laughable that the sex people think they can moderate themselves.

We've got a man here who doesn't feel the need to report something on a parenting site that by his own admission said surprised him to see.

It just erodes womens boundaries ever more and yet ... still they do it

Firstly I object to the term 'the sex people' my posts and reading are by far mostly on other boards.

By the time I read the posts they were days old with multiple dozens of comments after by other MN posters.

I reasonably (in my view) thought that if the many, many others that had read it thought it was not acceptable it would have been reported many times over.

It's ridiculous the blame the sex board for this

TheShellBeach · 15/04/2023 22:31

"I do wonder if MN are just happy to let the sex topic drive traffic to the site, despite that traffic not being suited to the MN"

It's not a good look for a parenting site, is it.

TheBayTreeMurder · 15/04/2023 22:32

Who says I was referring to you @Surplus2requirements ? Stop inserting yourself - quite literally- into conversations

horridjobescapee · 15/04/2023 22:32

I think the sex board has eroded the feel of mumsnet. It has allowed boundaries to be eroded.

I blame all those who read that thread and did not report it. Not just one person. Every one of the people who read that thread and did not report has behaved in an h acceptable way, in my opinion.

TheShellBeach · 15/04/2023 22:33

Great post from @MassiveWordSalad

horridjobescapee · 15/04/2023 22:33

MassiveWordSalad · 15/04/2023 22:28

One way to deal with the risk to underage users would be to get rid of the sex topic. It's not always been here; it doesn't have to stay here.

MNHQ have said they don't want to limit what adults talk about and so on, but this is not a place where freedom of speech reigns. There are rules, there is supposed to be an ethos and a community spirit has developed since MN was founded. That spirit is rooted in the safeguarding of women and children with a strong current of feminism. The spirit of the sex topic is not in alignment with the site as a whole, and the users of the sex topic are not representative of MN users.

I've said it before, but yes, MN users sometimes need to ask about and discuss things of a sexual nature. We can continue to do this without a sex board, as we did before the sex board existed, by asking on another topic where the discussion will hopefully stay below the radar. I would much rather do that and have a higher chance of having that discussion with people who I consider to be typical Mumsnet users - my peers, if you will. If that discussion were considered beyond the pale, it would be reported and deleted very quickly.

I do wonder if MN are just happy to let the sex topic drive traffic to the site, despite that traffic not being suited to the MN ethos, and that is very sad.

This is a fabulous post.

DrunkOnLove · 15/04/2023 22:33

Surplus2requirements · 15/04/2023 22:23

It's the one about the cheating rugby league player filmed in an alleyway. I don't recall the title. Sorry if that's not much help

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I can see one in AIBU. Is it that one? I’ve reported it. Couldn’t find one in chat.

MassiveWordSalad · 15/04/2023 22:36

It honestly upsets me a bit. I came to MN (reluctantly) many years ago for baby advice, and soon realised this place is full of intelligent, fierce, funny women who have taught me so much about so much.

TheShellBeach · 15/04/2023 22:36

It's no wonder some of us think it's imperative to keep an eye on the posts on the sex board.

Surplus2requirements · 15/04/2023 22:37

DrunkOnLove · 15/04/2023 22:33

I can see one in AIBU. Is it that one? I’ve reported it. Couldn’t find one in chat.

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It may have been, sorry I can't be clearer, I was struggling with covid at the time and my memory is a little hazy. I thought it was in Chat but could be wrong.

DrunkOnLove · 15/04/2023 22:38

MassiveWordSalad · 15/04/2023 22:28

One way to deal with the risk to underage users would be to get rid of the sex topic. It's not always been here; it doesn't have to stay here.

MNHQ have said they don't want to limit what adults talk about and so on, but this is not a place where freedom of speech reigns. There are rules, there is supposed to be an ethos and a community spirit has developed since MN was founded. That spirit is rooted in the safeguarding of women and children with a strong current of feminism. The spirit of the sex topic is not in alignment with the site as a whole, and the users of the sex topic are not representative of MN users.

I've said it before, but yes, MN users sometimes need to ask about and discuss things of a sexual nature. We can continue to do this without a sex board, as we did before the sex board existed, by asking on another topic where the discussion will hopefully stay below the radar. I would much rather do that and have a higher chance of having that discussion with people who I consider to be typical Mumsnet users - my peers, if you will. If that discussion were considered beyond the pale, it would be reported and deleted very quickly.

I do wonder if MN are just happy to let the sex topic drive traffic to the site, despite that traffic not being suited to the MN ethos, and that is very sad.

Great post.

I am coming to the conclusion that the sex topic does just need to go entirely. The relationships board would do the job well for what the majority of people may want to discuss about sex.

If they want something else, there are other sites.

MassiveWordSalad · 15/04/2023 22:42

I do wonder, if there's an appetite for sex chat amongst the sex topic regulars, and other possible venues have been identified, then wouldn't they be happier to migrate there? If not, why not?

TheShellBeach · 15/04/2023 22:44

MassiveWordSalad · 15/04/2023 22:42

I do wonder, if there's an appetite for sex chat amongst the sex topic regulars, and other possible venues have been identified, then wouldn't they be happier to migrate there? If not, why not?

The Million Dollar Question.

horridjobescapee · 15/04/2023 22:45

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Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

horridjobescapee · 15/04/2023 22:46

I mean. He doesn't have covid now. He has remembered enough details gmat the thread could be searched for.

Why not search himself and report it? Why make it public here and put a woman in the position of feeling she has to go and look for it and report it.

That's making me feel most uneasy.

Surplus2requirements · 15/04/2023 22:47

MassiveWordSalad · 15/04/2023 22:42

I do wonder, if there's an appetite for sex chat amongst the sex topic regulars, and other possible venues have been identified, then wouldn't they be happier to migrate there? If not, why not?

I think that was the suggestion in the now deleted thread in Sex Chat that spawned 2 also now deleted threads in Site Stuff.

For myself I'm not interested but the idea of Chat does seem quite popular

TheShellBeach · 15/04/2023 22:51

Surplus2requirements · 15/04/2023 22:47

I think that was the suggestion in the now deleted thread in Sex Chat that spawned 2 also now deleted threads in Site Stuff.

For myself I'm not interested but the idea of Chat does seem quite popular

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It's not appropriate on a parenting site.

DrunkOnLove · 15/04/2023 22:53

Surplus2requirements · 15/04/2023 22:47

I think that was the suggestion in the now deleted thread in Sex Chat that spawned 2 also now deleted threads in Site Stuff.

For myself I'm not interested but the idea of Chat does seem quite popular

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But they can google, find a site and join it. They could even PM the other sex people who they are already in PM contact with, to tell them. They don’t need to put it in a thread.

Of course, the OP of the thread with the incest and teen sex link in had deleted all her PMs and couldn’t remember their usernames. She was left with no choice but to post a thread. 😏 Weird logic there. May I would suggest that they’re not very important people to her if she doesn’t know their usernames, so why is she so worried about passing this info to them.

washinwashoutrepeat · 15/04/2023 22:53

MassiveWordSalad · 15/04/2023 22:28

One way to deal with the risk to underage users would be to get rid of the sex topic. It's not always been here; it doesn't have to stay here.

MNHQ have said they don't want to limit what adults talk about and so on, but this is not a place where freedom of speech reigns. There are rules, there is supposed to be an ethos and a community spirit has developed since MN was founded. That spirit is rooted in the safeguarding of women and children with a strong current of feminism. The spirit of the sex topic is not in alignment with the site as a whole, and the users of the sex topic are not representative of MN users.

I've said it before, but yes, MN users sometimes need to ask about and discuss things of a sexual nature. We can continue to do this without a sex board, as we did before the sex board existed, by asking on another topic where the discussion will hopefully stay below the radar. I would much rather do that and have a higher chance of having that discussion with people who I consider to be typical Mumsnet users - my peers, if you will. If that discussion were considered beyond the pale, it would be reported and deleted very quickly.

I do wonder if MN are just happy to let the sex topic drive traffic to the site, despite that traffic not being suited to the MN ethos, and that is very sad.

Yes!!!

Surplus2requirements · 15/04/2023 22:57

horridjobescapee · 15/04/2023 22:46

I mean. He doesn't have covid now. He has remembered enough details gmat the thread could be searched for.

Why not search himself and report it? Why make it public here and put a woman in the position of feeling she has to go and look for it and report it.

That's making me feel most uneasy.

Right now I'm in my camper with a somewhat sketchy connection.

At the time i deferred to the many many woman that must have read the post before me to report or not as it was several days old and many posts after.

I only brought it up because of the conversation about the possibility of minors reading and it's an issue that potentially doesn't just relate to the sex board

Surplus2requirements · 15/04/2023 23:00

DrunkOnLove · 15/04/2023 22:53

But they can google, find a site and join it. They could even PM the other sex people who they are already in PM contact with, to tell them. They don’t need to put it in a thread.

Of course, the OP of the thread with the incest and teen sex link in had deleted all her PMs and couldn’t remember their usernames. She was left with no choice but to post a thread. 😏 Weird logic there. May I would suggest that they’re not very important people to her if she doesn’t know their usernames, so why is she so worried about passing this info to them.

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I'm not sure why you are telling me this? I haven't defended that thread in any way either here or on the deleted threads

WavingAtTheClouds · 15/04/2023 23:01

Bookmaker websites seem to be able to verify someone is 18, I don't think the same system of giving name and address and dob providing ID would go down well with most forum users site wide as they lose the anonymity, I personally wouldn't be comfortable with sharing that stuff with mumsnet due to the data leaks we've had in the past and also wasn't there a dodgy mod causing hassle for fwr users? So I can't see that being workable on here, I wouldn't want to be giving so much of my personal info to use MN.

Id want the website I chose to discuss my personal sexual experiences and give sexual advice to others to be active in removing children and at least making a token effort to at least look like they're following what they say they will and suspend accounts of underage users.

I don't think this would be popular either but maybe making the sex board part of premium member privileges could possibly help prevent children accessing that type of content on here. Make it so you have to be logged in to view.

The type of person who isn't using the sex topic in good faith, or creeps and trolls would be less willing to do so if they had to subscribe to mumsnet and the fewer of the boundary ignoring or trolling people the better.

I don't think that will happen though, and as they not suspending underage posters like they said they are in the previous moderation update, it comes with the risk of children seeing sexual content on a website that parents may well not even think to block on parental control type software.

I'm gonna tag @JoMumsnet as they've posted on here but I don't know if they'd seen my post about the safeguarding not being followed, I have asked via email for clarification too but maybe it's quicker asking here too if you're already discussing this this weekend.

MassiveWordSalad · 15/04/2023 23:01

In light of the current situation around the erosion of women's rights, along with the sex positivity movement, the sex topic feels like another trespass into women's spaces.

It's ironic that this bastion of gender-critical feminism is also a place that allows titillating material that appeals to male readers to stand.

MassiveWordSalad · 15/04/2023 23:04

It's an idea @WavingAtTheClouds but allowing men to pay for access to women seems wrong. There's a word for that, isn't there?

Surplus2requirements · 15/04/2023 23:06

WavingAtTheClouds · 15/04/2023 23:01

Bookmaker websites seem to be able to verify someone is 18, I don't think the same system of giving name and address and dob providing ID would go down well with most forum users site wide as they lose the anonymity, I personally wouldn't be comfortable with sharing that stuff with mumsnet due to the data leaks we've had in the past and also wasn't there a dodgy mod causing hassle for fwr users? So I can't see that being workable on here, I wouldn't want to be giving so much of my personal info to use MN.

Id want the website I chose to discuss my personal sexual experiences and give sexual advice to others to be active in removing children and at least making a token effort to at least look like they're following what they say they will and suspend accounts of underage users.

I don't think this would be popular either but maybe making the sex board part of premium member privileges could possibly help prevent children accessing that type of content on here. Make it so you have to be logged in to view.

The type of person who isn't using the sex topic in good faith, or creeps and trolls would be less willing to do so if they had to subscribe to mumsnet and the fewer of the boundary ignoring or trolling people the better.

I don't think that will happen though, and as they not suspending underage posters like they said they are in the previous moderation update, it comes with the risk of children seeing sexual content on a website that parents may well not even think to block on parental control type software.

I'm gonna tag @JoMumsnet as they've posted on here but I don't know if they'd seen my post about the safeguarding not being followed, I have asked via email for clarification too but maybe it's quicker asking here too if you're already discussing this this weekend.

I didn't realise its viewable without logging in. That should be easy to change I'd have thought?