war topic

[Samcro]

any chance of a covid style war topic for all the "are we going to war " threads please.

Some of the threads are just so goady and TATs

The "war prep" one has been zapped now.

@ClaudineClare

The "war prep" one has been zapped now.

Yes it’s weird because it got moved to Preppers topic first. Then the OP asked for it to be deleted.

@TeenPlusCat

I posted up thread that I am in favour of a separate board and why.

I would like to address the 'but some people only ever look in AIBU/Chat or only ever access via Active' argument for not having a board.

Are people honestly saying, that because some people choose not to use all the boards/features that MN has then those features shouldn't be used to the detriment of people who do use them?

It strikes me as similar to people who have phones with flexible Do Not Disturb features who complain about being texted at midnight.

If you choose not to use provided features you can't complain when others do! I choose not to use facebook. I accept I miss out on some stuff because of it. That's life.

It's the opposite in fact.

Having a separate board won't stop people posting in other boards. It certainly didn't re covid and brexit. But what did happen is these threads were derailed by posters going on the thread to say they shouldn't have posted as it's not in the right area. Then that's what the thread became about.

Irrespective of whether there is a board for the topic, and it could be argued that current affairs should all be in the news section anyway, is that people will start a thread in whatever board they think is relevant to them,

If the point of a separate board is to stop people posting in chat or aibu etc I don't that that works. It just causes the mods more work.

And the mods are human and don't always get it right. One thread was moved from scotsnet to the feminist board when it was more relevant to Scotsnet and it had to be moved back.

Where would you currently put a post about rising gas prices? As that will invariably discuss Russia - Ukraine. But shouldn't be in a separate Ukraine topic as it's relevant to uk Mumsnetters who are worried about rising prices.

It's such a topical discussion right now. I think we need to accept people will be posting about it and they won't stick to the one board.

@ZeroFuchsGiven

Ridiculous suggestion, This topic should not be hidden away.

Brexit shouldn't have been moved to a corner either. And totally agree, this is a site for adults.

Adults who should be perfectly capable of dealing with subjects in their respective topics.

If the point of a separate board is to stop people posting in chat or aibu etc I don't that that works. It just causes the mods more work.

If MNHQ made it a policy to move threads to the relevant topics then people would soon get used to posting in the correct topic and other posters would start reporting threads in the wrong topics. Obviously, there are always exceptions, but the sheer number of unused topics on MN because everyone just uses chat or AIBU is ridiculous. It would also mean that those topics would appear more in Active and promote more activity on them generally.

There’s a topic for news and current affairs, I don’t know why all the Ukraine threads can’t be moved into there.

Brexit shouldn't have been moved to a corner either.

It’s not moving it to a corner, it’s making it easier to find posts on a topic that are more than a day old, and easier to filter topics.

It won’t stop people seeing all active threads if that is how they choose to see the site.

The oldest thread post on page three of AIBU was at 10.49 this morning.

It’s a great board to make a snap judgement on whether someone was being reasonable, but not a good place to find specific information.

Any post can get bumped down by a sudden flood of unreaso9nable MILs and parking disputes.

This thread is so interesting. It is proof that a vast number of Mumsnetters perceive this site to be just Chat and Aibu. All the outraged cries of "this shouldn't be hidden away" confirm it.

Brexit should have gone in a seperate topic, Covid should have gone in a separate topic, the Russian aggression on Ukraine should be in a seperate topic. It is not censorship, it is just common fucking sense.

@CecilyTheWake

If the point of a separate board is to stop people posting in chat or aibu etc I don't that that works. It just causes the mods more work.

If MNHQ made it a policy to move threads to the relevant topics then people would soon get used to posting in the correct topic and other posters would start reporting threads in the wrong topics. Obviously, there are always exceptions, but the sheer number of unused topics on MN because everyone just uses chat or AIBU is ridiculous. It would also mean that those topics would appear more in Active and promote more activity on them generally.

There’s a topic for news and current affairs, I don’t know why all the Ukraine threads can’t be moved into there.

The logical answer would be to get rid of AIBU and its domination of the site and focus more on topics. Then prune out those which remain tumbleweed.

Topic wise, current affairs related new subjects would then go into the News topic and be split off when they generate sufficient sustained traffic to make a new topic worthwhile.

This isn't a new problem on discussion forums but the existence of AIBU magnifies the mess on this one. However "I don't want to see that" is rarely a good or sustainable reason in itself to separate off traffic.

25A580Hojas
Except it doesn't work like that. Everything ends up in AIBU.

However "I don't want to see that" is rarely a good or sustainable reason in itself to separate off traffic.

It is when the threads are borderline trolling.

It is when the threads are borderline trolling

Trolling is against the talk guidelines and so troll threads should be removed. Not cultivated under their own purpose built bridge.

The problem is it’s not always easy to tell whether a poster is trolling or just genuinely a bit thoughtless.

If a particular topic attracts a lot of questionable posts at least the threads can be quarantined in a topic before definitive zapping.

@merrymouse

The problem is it’s not always easy to tell whether a poster is trolling or just genuinely a bit thoughtless.

If a particular topic attracts a lot of questionable posts at least the threads can be quarantined in a topic before definitive zapping.

This is basically the problem. The majority of the war posts aren’t actually trolling, they’re just people who can’t be bothered to find an existing thread, are determined to have ‘their’ thread, want attention and/or are just plain ignorant and thick. Some of the posts about it are an absolute embarrassment.

But as they’re not trolls, they don’t get deleted.

Personally, it’s not a case of ‘I don’t want to see that’, it’s that I don’t want to read a load of hysterical fear-mongering nonsense from people who can’t even pinpoint Ukraine on a map.

There’s currently a poster who has been spamming AIBU with threads about petitions for animals leaving Ukraine and it’s that level of idiocy which I don’t want to see.

@Theworldisfullofgs

25A580Hojas Except it doesn't work like that. Everything ends up in AIBU.

Yeah. That's literally what I'm saying .

I hope that there is trolling going on, the idea that all these mad threads are started by real people is scarey

If a particular topic attracts a lot of questionable posts at least the threads can be quarantined in a topic before definitive zapping

So what you want is not a topic for relevant discussion but somewhere to hide stuff but in such a way that any useful or relevant discussion on the subject will be buried under a pile of wannabe trolls?

How exactly does that aid rational or serious discussion on the subject? Or don't you want that?

I'm really, truly not being the thread police but been I've pulled up short tonight realising that there are people who quite naturally and through no fault of their own have not experienced a crisis like this before and are genuinely scared about what might happen to their children.

I'm honestly not sure what MN can do but perhaps a thread where people can say what they are worried about without criticism might be an idea? I don't know, just don't like to think about people struggling and being mocked if they express their fears (and I'm about as anti #BeKind as possible)

I'm one who generally uses topics rather than active, I'm not really interested in much of the general AIBU and chat threads and tend to head to a specific topic like telly addicts or the house threads, if I just used active I would mainly miss these as they don't get as much traffic. For me a topic would be much easier so I could visit it if the mood took me and means I wouldn't miss the more informative but less dramatic threads.

I hope that there is trolling going on, the idea that all these mad threads are started by real people is scarey there really is. Advance search is your friend.

And I waste no time in welcoming them to mn before. Report. Them.

I think new topics should be introduced for subjects which have enduring interest and plenty of traffic

I think it's right to wait a few days, and see how it goes. There has been an initial spate of threads which are very repetitive (and which I think tend to reinforce over-reaction, and that is not healthy) but this is MN, where starting yet another thread has always been OK. Another site I go to has the opposite norm - start a thread when there's an existing one is bad form and you'll get told off by other users, and thus encourages people to look and see what convos are going on before plunging in. It's a matter of different style.

I expect that the number of over-dramatic threads will drop - that's the time to see if there is enough to sustain a topic.

New topics only really work for important and enduring themes

@A580Hojas

This thread is so interesting. It is proof that a vast number of Mumsnetters perceive this site to be just Chat and Aibu. All the outraged cries of "this shouldn't be hidden away" confirm it.

Brexit should have gone in a seperate topic, Covid should have gone in a separate topic, the Russian aggression on Ukraine should be in a seperate topic. It is not censorship, it is just common fucking sense.

What seems common sense to me is that people should hide the general boards like AIBU or Chat if there are certain topics that they don't want to see, rather than attempting to restrict and police what can be posted in those general threads by everyone else. The whole point of AIBU and Chat is that they are not limited to specific topics.

People who are coming to MN to talk about other things can still access all of the support/information/chat that they want or need by going to the specific topics that interest them. People who are happy to see a more varied range of topics can continue to use the general boards as well as any specific ones that interest them.

Also, if we are not going to continue with the principle that the general topics can contain threads on any subject, then we would need to compile a list of the specific topics that are not included on a sticky note at the top of the board, so that people don't post in the wrong place and then attract a pile-on from the thread police.

Can you provide a list of no-go topics that should be excluded from the general topic boards? Presumably I and other posters would also be able to add additional recurrent topics to that list if we find them irritating, boring or triggering in any way? How many MNers would need to object to a topic being mentioned on the general boards before it was officially deemed out of bounds?