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Why is it suddenly ok to make multiple threads on the same subject over and over again?

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DayBath · 04/03/2021 16:36

I'm talking about the Feminism board. Please could MN explain why it's ok for the same poster to keep starting new threads on the same topic repeatedly without the previous ones filling up or reaching any limit?

Surely there's a point where this is considered "not in the spirit" as you love to say. By all means this person should be allowed to post but why are repeated threads within hours of each other being allowed to cause Groundhog Day over there?

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Akire · 04/03/2021 23:57

I don’t know why we can’t just ignore the lot of them if it’s obviously phishing thread. No one respond at all they will get bored sooner or later.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 05/03/2021 00:00

Yes, I meant threads above, not posts. But having said that, the tactic of disrupting good threads in which FWR posters have invested time, energy and emotion with goady and disruptive posts is also prevalent. Often these threads are deleted as a result because they 'look like Swiss cheese' or have veered so far off track that they cannot be salvaged. The net result is that the goaders win and women and other 'in good faith' posters are silenced. Yet, these multiple, goady, threads have been allowed to stand.

Mockolate · 05/03/2021 01:12

Sounds like some sort of organised response to the goading is needed. I remember the recipe replies or maybe some quotes from literature.

Organised recipes in regards to goading?
Yeah, because that doesn't sound like goading in itself Confused Hmm

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/03/2021 01:16

Can you goad a goader? Rhetorical question.

AaronPurr · 05/03/2021 06:41

I agree, no brand new members should be allowed to post on FWR. Like most others, I lurked for ages before ever posting on any FWR threads.

I think that's a good solution. I've been here years and think i've posted on FWR a handful of times. Even now i'm more likely to lurk rather than post.

Being able to create an account and then post multiple threads on the same topic is usually seen as bad forum etiquette, and that's without taking into account the content.

NoWordForFluffy · 05/03/2021 07:10

@dragoncheeselady

The poster is also repeatedly using cis after being told it's not acceptable under the Mumsnet rules for FWR. But they apparently are immune to that rule of have the rules changed again?
This is a huge problem for me. The OP was repeatedly told why cis is offensive in one thread. She then went and created a whole new thread on that topic alone.

It's not on, and her attitude to and use of the word is a clear breach of talk guidelines. When other people were being deleted left right and centre on those threads, why are her breaches left to stand and why isn't she getting strikes? It's hypocrisy on behalf of MNHQ and I want to know the reasoning.

zzizzer · 05/03/2021 07:24

Yeah what's going on with the twitter stuff @JustineMumsnet? Seems a bit bonkers from here.

Gcnq · 05/03/2021 07:30

@Doyoumind

The OP from those threads had multiple violations that were allowed to stand.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. MN doesn't let anyone post under Sex until they've been here long enough. I don't think you should be able to join and immediately post in FWR without being an established member - even if it's just a 24 hour restriction. It would help prevent this kind of nonsense.

Seconded!
Gcnq · 05/03/2021 07:31

^ or thirded... fourthed.... If I RTFT

NutellaEllaElla · 05/03/2021 07:31

Come on MN, this feels so unfair. Once again you are throwing regulars under the bus.

starlingsintheslipstream · 05/03/2021 07:36

I'd be so interested in the MNHQ response too. I'm another one who is toying with the idea of joining Premium to support MN in the way they have allowed free speech/open debate on certain issues but the way this has been handled and the Twitter stuff (from the little I've gleaned) gives me pause for thought.

Igmum · 05/03/2021 07:43

@Doyoumind

The OP from those threads had multiple violations that were allowed to stand.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. MN doesn't let anyone post under Sex until they've been here long enough. I don't think you should be able to join and immediately post in FWR without being an established member - even if it's just a 24 hour restriction. It would help prevent this kind of nonsense.

Excellent suggestion come on @MNHQ let's see thiis implemented
Boiledeggandtoast · 05/03/2021 07:44

I have never posted on FWR but have found the discussions really interesting and enlightening. I would like to add my support to the concerns outlined above.

Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 05/03/2021 07:49

A 24 hour restriction could lead to better debate from newcomers

mummywantstobeslim · 05/03/2021 07:50

The feminism Boards don't bother me really. It's the fucking coronavirus board that I cannot block through my phone that really pisses me off. It's so depressing , constant whinging there etc 🙄

WoolOfBat · 05/03/2021 07:50

To be fair, I think MNHQ did their very best on this. They are walking a very fine line and they are keeping the discussion open.

It is hard to straight out judge someone and declare them a troll - and a lying troll at that as the OP of the threads swore that all was done in good faith. I am not sure that it is a decision a legal entity can make. Unfortunately the cynics were right.

But please MNHQ could the regulars who were clearly goaded and provoked quietly be re-instated / having their strikes removed. I believe that this was an exceptional situation and the frustration boiled over for some women here.

We are all at a breaking point due to the pandemic and the women on the FWR board are more likely to be dealing with both ageing parents and small children than any Internet warrior. To then have something you care about so deeply as women’s right and feel that you tying yourself in linguistic knots against an insincere poster who not only is lying about their intentions but also takes pleasure in using words like “cis” when knowing how offensive some find that...is hard.

Please MNHQ could we all learn from this, share some Cake and Brew and move on together?

JaneJeffer · 05/03/2021 08:03

the OP of the threads swore that all was done in good faith

Why is it suddenly ok to make multiple threads on the same subject over and over again?
WanderinWomb · 05/03/2021 08:04

@Akire

I don’t know why we can’t just ignore the lot of them if it’s obviously phishing thread. No one respond at all they will get bored sooner or later.
The problem is that if those of us know is a goady fucker purposely trying to get people banned from here and Twitter just ignore, thousands who don't know that will stroll into it unaware. Those who tried to warn people, subtly, got strikes. The worst misogynists on Twitter are saying all the deleted posts are due to "transphobia" as MN told them that transphobia is deleted (didn't even mention that many everyday words such as peak are also banned)

Some of the other deletions were for misgendering the OP who didn't even announce pronouns until page 9 or 10.
These deletions shouldn't stand as strikes, that would be disgraceful.

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DayBath · 05/03/2021 08:17

Well it's disappointing that this thread still remains unanswered by Mumsnet. They've clearly been in here reading posts because of a deletion up thread but have chosen not to respond so far. Let's hope they're just getting their ducks in a row before replying because the alternative option that we are being ignored is incredibly discouraging if true.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 05/03/2021 08:20

Sounds like some sort of organised response to the goading is needed. I remember the recipe replies

Pretty sure someone was deleted for that...

midgedude · 05/03/2021 08:28

If you want a reply @mnhq helps, as does waiting for standard business hours

In terms of goady posters it's actually best to walk away and ignore their tripe

I personally object to the fact the mnhq will strike someone for suggesting that might be the best course of action to others on the thread

YetAnotherSpartacus · 05/03/2021 08:29

Yes, deletions have been made for talking about recipes or breakfast cereals - but the chemistry 'c' word is allowed to stand even though so many women find it horribly offensive.

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DayBath · 05/03/2021 08:35

@midgedude Other posters have told me that @ doesn't work and you need to report your own post to get a reply, which someone here did for me

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WoolOfBat · 05/03/2021 08:36

Can we all please have a cup of tea and wait for MNHQ to discuss this? I am sorry, but I think we need to calm down a bit whilst they are considering what to do.

There is a massive difference between what a legal entity can do and what a single person can do in terms of “getting a gut feel” of someone and acting on that.

As for future strategies, this will have to be a measured decision by MNHQ, I don’t think it can be thought out in an hour.

As for the strikes/bans MNHQ will hopefully silently amend these, again this will be a decision a volunteer won’t be able to make.

Yesterday was a dreadful day. Many tried to hard, including MNHQ who probably felt that they had the eyes of an army of TRAs on them. Maybe they were over cautious, they will have to have a meeting about this, figure out what they thought about yesterday, how to address it and then move forward.

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DayBath · 05/03/2021 08:38

@midgedude also with regards to waiting until business hours, they have been active and deleting posts within this thread before business hours, so my point is they have come in and had a look around outside of business hours and actively made the decision not to respond (so far)

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