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Dear black people of mumsnet

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PatricksRum · 10/09/2020 17:24

Ideas for a black section on mumsnet.

Should we have separate sections i.e black hair and beauty, black parenting, black cooking or a general black section?

Link to previous

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4018383-black-section-on-mn

OP posts:
ReceptacleForTheRespectable · 10/09/2020 22:18

I'd like to add my support for this request. I'm white, and aghast at the negative reaction to this. If black women feel they want a safe space to discuss issues that are relevant to them, of course they should have one. As said above, we have sections for LGBT etc.

Phoenix21 · 10/09/2020 22:18

@wafflyversatile

Maybe a 'Black Experience' or 'Black Perspectives' section rather than seperate sub sections in each existing section. Blacknet?

If we can have a feminist section and a dads section and a gransnet then I dont see why not this.

Sorry you've had so much hostility and defensiveness on your threads OP.

@wafflyversatile
yellowgusset · 10/09/2020 22:20

I cannot believe that specifying "no white people" on the other thread wasn't an instant ban tbh.

onewish05 · 10/09/2020 22:21

Why are you so rude on every single thread?! Your attitude is awful

onewish05 · 10/09/2020 22:25

And nobody is suggesting you're as you put it "an aggressive black woman".

You could be pink, blue, white, grey I don't care. But you are coming across as aggressive...

rambleon1 · 10/09/2020 22:25

I see the racists from the 'other' site have arrived.

ExTwitter · 10/09/2020 22:28

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PicsInRed · 10/09/2020 22:28

@onewish05

And nobody is suggesting you're as you put it "an aggressive black woman".

You could be pink, blue, white, grey I don't care. But you are coming across as aggressive...

Assertive. She's coming across as assertive.
Venicelover · 10/09/2020 22:29

She really isn't.

wafflyversatile · 10/09/2020 22:30

I'd say trotting along to their threads just to have another go at them is aggressive.

rambleon1 · 10/09/2020 22:32

@Venicelover

She really isn't.
She really is. What's the matter? Can't cope with an assertive black woman. Know her place should she?
onewish05 · 10/09/2020 22:32

I haven't "trotted" from another thread. I've opened this one Confused

wafflyversatile · 10/09/2020 22:32

I suggested black perspectives but I think I prefer black mums matter!

That said BMM would probably attract (even) more aggressive white women.

blueteatowel · 10/09/2020 22:33

Thank you OP for starting the request.

Had to skip a lot of pages as too many of the comments were nausea inducing but as per some of the earlier comments, I think that one main topic to begin with and as that gains traction, we will begin to see naturally forming ideas for sub topics.

I'd also suggest an (is it called a sticky), info thread where there is some basic information of what it feels to be black person in the UK, how history has shaped this experience and why it's OK for certain groups to have their own groups and support networks. This thread and your previous shows that many people still have a lot to learn.

MaPaSpa · 10/09/2020 22:36

yes i think its a good idea and would appreciate somewhere to discuss these things

PonDeReplay · 10/09/2020 22:39

@wafflyversatile

I suggested black perspectives but I think I prefer black mums matter!

That said BMM would probably attract (even) more aggressive white women.

I like BMM too @wafflyversatile ... But Black Perspectives or Black Experience are probably more neutral.
DeRigueurMortis · 10/09/2020 22:40

[quote EarringsandLipstick]@DeRigueurMortis that's a very interesting post. I never thought of the business model element. [/quote]

Thank you.

I think we all at times forget that MN is a business not a community.

I think the best way to think of it is that the OP is asking MN to create a new "product".

When "pitching" to a business to invest in a new product you can't just say "because I want it".

You have to explain why it would be beneficial to the business.

I happen to think having a black topic would be beneficial and has the potential to increase the user demographic and encourage black users to post in a topic where they may not have posted on the main boards. That's good for business- but it's an opinion it's not something I can prove.

However, there is an element of running before walking here in so far what's being proposed is not just a new "product" but a whole new sub division ie a raft of many products, with ring fenced moderation before even proving the concept will work commercially.

Having a single black topic with standard moderation is akin to a production company running a TV pilot before committing to a full series.

That's an easier ask for MN to provide. Encourage black MNetters to post there and prove its commercial value.

Demonstrate the popularity of the "pilot" and then your argument for a series starts to have commercial merit.

MNHQ has been badly impacted by Covid and diverting funds to "a series" rather than a pilot isn't good business sense and could potentially put the finances of the overall site at risk.

How many people would support what seems to be a full replication of the site under a black umbrella topic (replace that with any other heading btw) if they knew that doing so would put the financial viability of the whole site at risk?

Ginkypig · 10/09/2020 22:41

@PonDeReplay and @Phoenix21

PonDeReplay
What shall we call it? Best ideas I’ve seen are:
Black Perspectives from @Phoenix21 above
Black Mums’ Matters (sorry- forgotten poster’s name)

Black perspectives wasn’t my suggestion, someone else’s that I seconded!

I think it might have been me possibly as I mentioned it up thread but maybe not.

FlouncerInDenial · 10/09/2020 22:41

@ReceptacleForTheRespectable

I'd like to add my support for this request. I'm white, and aghast at the negative reaction to this. If black women feel they want a safe space to discuss issues that are relevant to them, of course they should have one. As said above, we have sections for LGBT etc.
This.

I feel very sad that in 2020 black women (predominantly women) feel they need a safe space on a (predominantly) female board.
This thread, unfortunately, shows why they do and why that is necessary.
So I support it, but it saddens me

Venicelover · 10/09/2020 22:41

She really is. What's the matter? Can't cope with an assertive black woman. Know her place should she?

I don't care what colour she is, she is rude, not assertive. There is a difference.

You have no idea what my ethnicity is, so pleased don't lecture me on assertive black/white/insert colour of choice women.

Quaagars · 10/09/2020 22:43

Assertive. She's coming across as assertive

This
What's with the tone policing? Is she not being "polite" enough to "what about the whites?" posters?
Don't blame OP to be honest with some of these replies on here

AMemeByAnyOtherName · 10/09/2020 22:45

If anybody thinks that Patricks is being 'aggressive', then stop engaging with her. She's not an evil boss you need to defeat in order to overthrow the prospect of this idea happening. MNHQ have said they are willing to make it happen. Poking and prodding the 'OP' only serves to make you look hostile, bitter and obsessive. It won't change anything, you'll have to accept that this is now in development; not up for questioning.

Quaagars · 10/09/2020 22:48

Seems they have "Protection" within Mumsnet.

"They?"
You really can't see a problem with what you just said there?
Although not surprising you can't going by the rest of your post that isn't even worthy of being repeated.

Lady1576 · 10/09/2020 22:51

Aaaah FFS. 50% ignorant racist comments here again. I wonder OP has the patience to use Mumsnet at all. In regard to ‘What is black parenting?’ I remember a particularly cringey thread about extended breastfeeding where the OP had to keep telling people who were shocked she hadn’t warned at 1 year, that she was not originally from the U.K. So many posters just couldn’t get their head round how other cultures apart from White British might have different cultural norms. It’s not exactly the same as ‘Black Parenting’ but that was the ignorant thread that I remember the most obviously, and definitely proof that a Black Mumsnet might be enjoyable for some.

ExTwitter · 10/09/2020 22:52

@Quaagars

Seems they have "Protection" within Mumsnet.

"They?"
You really can't see a problem with what you just said there?
Although not surprising you can't going by the rest of your post that isn't even worthy of being repeated.

Explain to.me how using they in that context is in any way wrong or incorrect.

they pronoun

\ ˈt͟hā

Definition of they
1: those ones : those people, animals, or things
"They dance well."
"What do they want to do?"
"They aren't as popular as they once were."

2—used to refer to people in a general way or to a group of people who are not specified
"You know what they say."
"People can do what they want."
"They say the trial could go on for weeks"
"He's as lazy as they come."