Dear black people of mumsnet

[PatricksRum]

Ideas for a black section on mumsnet.

Should we have separate sections i.e black hair and beauty, black parenting, black cooking or a general black section?

Link to previous

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4018383-black-section-on-mn

@sunshinesupermum

I addressed my post to black people and not white people. which is the same as saying white people not wanted here!

Well why would a white person think they should be posting ideas or would want to post ideas for the (potential future) black section of mn aimed at black people having a space to discuss black issues or things from a black perspective?

Fucking hell @PatricksRum

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I'm just facepalming for you there. I can't get my head around how much abuse you are getting over this.

I emailed MN to support OP's original request because her being able to post about things from a black perspective, in an online black community section, is not going to affect my MN experience in any way.

You ask the black community of MN for some suggestions and a bunch of white people jump on and tell you you're being exclusionary/racist/unfair... I just... I can't even🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

MrsI

This is an anonymous chat board

No one will be prevented from reading or posting on a topic like the op wants

As for the idea that groups who are in a minority or disadvantaged shouldn't have groups where they can talk to people who 'get it' / have similar experiences - seriously?

Do you feel this way about the LGB+ parents board on here?

-black feminism
-black literature
-black bloggers
-black owned businesses

'I addressed my post to black people and not white people.* which is the same as saying white people not wanted here!'

It really really isn't.

Would people be just as outraged if somebody had created a thread asking disabled people what kind of topics they'd like to discuss?

Would that be 'reverse ableist'?

We have today a racial silo...it's white...and ether we like it or not, some black people clearly feel excluded.

We need to recognise diversity and celebrate diversity, and part of that is accepting that diversity means differences

If one group is substantially bigger than the other, in an open room/forum the minority will not be heard.

That's just a fact of life. Their questions won't be answered. The things they spot through their differences will be over ridden, they begin to doubt themselves. Downward spiral.the dominate group thinks it's ok, those people are allowed to be there whikst failing to recognise their own advantage

Why should Scots and Irish and feminists and LBGT be allowed their own space?

Why are we repeating this over and over again? Does no one bother to RTFT?

@Flymetothetoon did you seriously just refer to a black woman as angry and with a chip on her shoulder because she’s standing up for herself? And then compared her to your black friend??

You might as well have started your post ‘I’m not racist but...’ or ‘I’m not racist... my best friend is black’ then called her aggressive for good measure. FFS.

@rosiefl

Don't understand why people are complaining about this. A safe space for black people to discuss without the need for Karen's jumping in or judgment or even asking 100s of questions. The majority of people in the UK are white, why do many of us white people feel that we need to be involved in everyone's business.

Karen's? Surely you don't honestly think that isn't divisive.

Lol at flymetoo

You think that's a really good point, don't you

It's like saying there's no point having a space for mainly women to discuss the issues and experiences they have with other women (hello you're on Mumsnet!) because there's a woman somewhere who doesn't have those issues or experiences...

You ask the black community of MN for some suggestions and a bunch of white people jump on and tell you you're being exclusionary/racist/unfair... I just... I can't even

Same, depressing innit

I have a friend (you can search my threads) who was born in Jamaica as were her sons
She came to England and married a white man and lives a very nice life in a very nice village and has lots of very nice friends who are all white cos that's the demographic of this particular village

Erm, good for your friend? Sounds like she has a very nice life in a very nice village with her very nice family and her very nice friends.
What's that got to do with anything, though?

@Flymetothetoon

Op you seem very angry! I have a friend (you can search my threads) who was born in Jamaica as were her sons. She came to England and married a white man and lives a very nice life in a very nice village and has lots of very nice friends who are all white cos that's the demographic of this particular village.

Quite honestly I think you have a stonking massive chip on your shoulder.

What's that got to do with the price of fish?

My goldfish's auntie's friend was born in England and she has no problem with a black topic on MN.

And I think you are probably not correct that your friend who is rich has not had experiences due to the colour of her skin, that she would not have had it she were white.

She just may not discuss them with you

Some posters seem to think that because some black people have no trouble, there is no problem!

Yet we know at the aggregate level , black women are more likely to die in childbirth, black men more likely to be arrested.

@PlinkPlink

Fucking hell *@PatricksRum*

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I'm just facepalming for you there. I can't get my head around how much abuse you are getting over this.

I emailed MN to support OP's original request because her being able to post about things from a black perspective, in an online black community section, is not going to affect my MN experience in any way.

You ask the black community of MN for some suggestions and a bunch of white people jump on and tell you you're being exclusionary/racist/unfair... I just... I can't even🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

I know, I know!

I'm trying to humour myself with the posts.

It takes up so much energy.

I've been up for days with ill DC (single mama) and I'm only just reading messages from my best friend. Fighting racism takes so much headspace.

@Flymetothetoon my husband is white English and he thinks this is a great idea. He also found what you just said very embarrassing. So I guess all other white people do too.

It might be worth having a section specifically for issues that only affect black people. But black parenting? I didn’t realize skin colour had any impact on that! We really need to stop creating divisions where there aren’t any. There are plenty of black people here who don’t think of themselves as any different to any other human being and for whom black is just a skin colour and not a monolithic culture or identity.

@Dablikeacrap

-black feminism -black literature -black bloggers -black owned businesses

Thank you!

[quote Dablikeacrap]@Flymetothetoon did you seriously just refer to a black woman as angry and with a chip on her shoulder because she’s standing up for herself? And then compared her to your black friend??

You might as well have started your post ‘I’m not racist but...’ or ‘I’m not racist... my best friend is black’ then called her aggressive for good measure. FFS.[/quote]
Glad I wasn't the only one.

The comment is quite funny

@witchygrub - black parenting necessitates talking to your children about what to do if you are stopped by the police so you stay alive. Do you need to have that convo with your kids?

@PatricksRum given the horrific stars in black women being five times more likely to die in childbirth in the Uk, I think a section on birth rights , support and advice/advocacy for black parents might be useful?

I’m mixed race btw. I’ve no idea why folk are getting so het up here. There’s nothing wrong with asking for a section to direct specific questions and traffic And perspective that are of more concern To a black audience. Others might learn a lot from it too. Too many black female voices are silenced in my view. Making it easier to speak and connect might be helpful I imagine.

We have today a racial silo...it's white...and ether we like it or not, some black people clearly feel excluded.

But there are more than just black and white people. So why are we limiting the boards to just those two? Do people of other ethnic groups get to have separate boards if they want them? And I presume that anyone of any ethnicity will be allowed to post on the main boards and not told to move their post as currently happens if someone posts a "feminist" thread on say AIBU?

Stats not stats, sorry big thumbs.

Erm, good for your friend? Sounds like she has a very nice life in a very nice village with her very nice family and her very nice friends.
What's that got to do with anything, though?

I'm howling

I think that poster genuinely thought she had me there.

My black friend isn't angry so why are you?