Hq - please explain why some topics cannot be discussed ?

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Just that hq.

I had posted about dispatches documentary aired 15/4/20

Clearly I cannot say what about.

I have drawn parallels to the cse scandal with certain elements of society grooming children.
That's a fact
And widely discussed now on the boards.
I work I law and have brought many of those perpetrators to justice.
I think had I listed about that issue 15 years ago I would have been told I was being racist an shit down , just as I an now in trying to talk about another minority group and their links to crime .

Why can this. It be discussed openly?
Why do my posts keep getting deleted despite the evidence?

It seems mn is very jumpy about allowing discussion around certain topics . Why? Why can we
Not discuss the facts around travellers sites and crime ?
Why can I not talk about a documentary aired last night around this very topic !? Please explain. This is not a thread about a thread . I'm just curious as to why some topics are taboo and taken down ? Hindsight has shown us that there are lessons to be learnt about certain elements of society regarding crime.
Why is it ok to talk about some things and not others ?
Thanks

Sorry I guess that's a bit to clever for someone with a low iq.

Sorry . Grammar! A bit too clever.

Apologies for the missing o

Traveller crime exists. So do Nazi crimes. An extended lockdown is probably going to produce a surge of crime from some in many communities. Which makes me wonder if that is the intended effect to be honest.

@imcockerhoop I believe what @OhCaptain is saying is that your thread has been resolved - the question you asked has been answered. So you can start a new thread based on the topic you want to discuss, perhaps add a line to say racist views should not be shared or something to that effect and then mind your own words carefully as you seem to have done on this thread. It won't get deleted.

This thread is about a different question (though connected to the topic you want to discuss) and posts sound argumentative and defensive. It's derailing from what you want to discuss, no?

So why don't you start a fresh thread on the topic you're interested in and people will join based on that alone.

One of my relatives grew up in the traveller community.
He married my aunt.
He is an MP in Ireland.
He Works with a lot of charities internationally that prevent child exploitation. He was abused himself but not by anyone in his own community.
To be lectured and condescended to about his community by a barely literate, self pitying minor official with obvious prejudice grinds my gears.

I'm not the OP, MN can confirm if other posters need that for whatever reason.

Ulver, that's just one example and doesn't represent the whole travelling community. In any community, there will be successful people and criminals too.

My ex of 15 years was from the travelling community and he was hideously abusive, but again, that doesn't speak of all travellers.

@Ulver - he’s a TD, not an MP.

ulver

So , you are disputing the findings of a documentary based on the fact that an Irish gent from the travelling community married your aunty and is a top bloke ?

an Irish gent from the travelling community

Interesting change of linguistic register there from the Certain Crime sand Certain Factions of Society, @imcockerhoop.

(Incidentally, did you mean 'cockahoop'?)

@imcockerhoop

No one has accused you of lying about your profession, because you haven't actually told us what it is. A pp has said they've 'worked it out' but you've been so coy about it that your credibility is brought into question.
Despite you having attempted to give excuses as to why you won't divulge what job you do, you still haven't given a reason that's understandable. You work with in law, but you're not a lawyer although you have 'brought many perpetrators to justice' (whatever that means). You work in a frontline NHS capacity. But you're not employed by the NHS. Can you see the disparity?

cnoc

(Incidentally, did you mean 'cockahoop'?)

No . I meant exactly what I wrote , and the attempts at belittling are getting a bit desperate now . There are many usernames with different spellings to what's in the dictionary because some are a play on words or because some username spellings are already used.

I hope that clears it up.

soontobe60

I do not have to say what I do . There is a good reason I am not -

1. a previous poster has said they will report me to my manager if they find out who I am and
2. someone once went to ridiculous lengths to try and find out about my family / ex partner, and began to send them emails.

So no . I don't really care if the entirety of mn thinks I'm lying. People change details all the time to protect their identity. I have been deliberately vague for that reason.

Maybe then you should make sure that anything you post could not be seen as being in any way potentially damaging to your job. There are ways and means to whistleblower, mumsnet isn't one of them.

The most distasteful thing about this thread is the amount of bullying on it. So many of you sound as though you are in the playground.

I'll try again. What is CSE?

Sunshine - it stands for child sexual exploitation.

Thank you imcockerhoop

I would simply urge anyone who is curious about what I am saying to go to 4 on demand and watch dispatches - the truth about traveller crime , then draw your own conclusions.

The statistics this programme quoted:

They looked at statistics around 30 traveller sites where issues around crime and antisocial behaviour were reported.

Then they examined recorded crime figures on a one mile radius around them over a 12 month period.

At around 70% of sites the crime rate was above the national average.

At 47% of those sites it was nearly a third above

They calculated the figures around all the sites and found it was one and a half times the national average

"The figures suggest that crime is a significant problem around traveller and gypsy sites " quote from dispatches

They showed the results of their findings to leading criminologist professor liz yardley

"The findings suggest there is an association between the presence of a traveller site and a crime rate increase "

She goes on to say that that is not the only thing that will affect crime figures and cites population stability, composition,poverty and deprivation.

She agrees those factors tend to be associated with traveller sites more than any particular ethnic group or their practices.

But - the facts are there . The things associated with higher crime are prevalent around traveller sites .

The programme is much as I've found .

Some are angry with the police for seemingly being reluctant to investigate.

6 cars were hit with bricks. No arrests made . Now I have some insight into this. - who would they have arrested? The description was a bunch of youths . That's it . So how does anyone know who to arrest in an instance like that?
To make an arrest there needs to be suspicion of a crime being committed - police can't realistically arrest everyone on a traveller site .

No one could provide a detailed description according to the documentary.

A police officer was interviewed saying they do not have the resources anymore to enter traveller sites as it needs aargh number of officers to do so.
He empathised with the public saying its one rule for the public and one for travellers.

The programme then details an incident 3 years ago when over 100 travellers turned up in Cromer

"What followed was a sudden and shocking crime wave "

One local restaurant owner talks of 40 travellers walking into his restaurant and emptying the fridges- wine , beer , champagne . His wife was injured as they tried to force them back out .

Several businesses were forced to close and 53 calls were made to police detailing 37 crimes including shoplifting, vandalism, assault and rape.

The police apparently did not respond. Even the dog unit refused to deploy the dog for fear of it getting hurt .

This is all from dispatches. It may be an unsavoury truth - but it doesn't mean it didn't happen and doesn't happen.

Only one of the 44 police force's would talk on record about policing traveller sites .

The police apparently fear being labelled racist if they talk publicly about crime being committed by travellers.

Watch the documentary.

Have to say I rather liked paddy Dougherty. He was a decent guy. Seemed very honest.

@imcockerhoop, I hear you. I get where you're coming from (even if I can't narrow down your occupation to less than 3 possibilities!).

You're being bullied by the virtue signallers who, I suspect, are largely far too middle class and affluent to have encountered many travellers.

Thank you martini

I was feeling quite alone out here ...you'll get accused of sock puppetry now you've posted in support you realise...

But what is the source of these statistics in which you put such credence? From original research by the documentary makers using what sources? Some credible third-party study?

I’m now beginning to conclude that you were involved in the documentary and are desperately trying to drum up publicity by trying to pick fights online.