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Hq - please explain why some topics cannot be discussed ?

224 replies

itsthefuture · 17/04/2020 22:34

Just that hq.

I had posted about dispatches documentary aired 15/4/20

Clearly I cannot say what about.

I have drawn parallels to the cse scandal with certain elements of society grooming children.
That's a fact
And widely discussed now on the boards.
I work I law and have brought many of those perpetrators to justice.
I think had I listed about that issue 15 years ago I would have been told I was being racist an shit down , just as I an now in trying to talk about another minority group and their links to crime .

Why can this. It be discussed openly?
Why do my posts keep getting deleted despite the evidence?

It seems mn is very jumpy about allowing discussion around certain topics . Why? Why can we
Not discuss the facts around travellers sites and crime ?
Why can I not talk about a documentary aired last night around this very topic !? Please explain. This is not a thread about a thread . I'm just curious as to why some topics are taboo and taken down ? Hindsight has shown us that there are lessons to be learnt about certain elements of society regarding crime.
Why is it ok to talk about some things and not others ?
Thanks

OP posts:
Ulver · 18/04/2020 17:46

How do you explain that the person who reported the abuse in the Rotherham case was himself Muslim? And that the victims were also abused by multiple white men who were not arrested?
Abuse of vulnerable children is rampant and it crosses all race and class barriers.
To try and distract from the facts puts children at risk.
Yes you should be afraid of being outed. If you have any kind of senior role ( which I cannot imagine) your threads could get you asked by the sounds of it.

Ulver · 18/04/2020 17:47

Sacked not asked.
I would gladly report you to your boss if you were spouting racist nonsense and had a safeguarding role.

Ulver · 18/04/2020 17:49

As I’m convinced that you are a total fantasist I won’t bother.

Shannith · 18/04/2020 17:52

I'm with @uliver

You are about as credible as Trump.

nopenothappening · 18/04/2020 18:01

You don’t come across as being trustworthy or accurate.

Basically.

Your comments about having personally assisted in bringing "perpetrators to justice" are quite clearly an attempt to give undue weight to your opinions without bothering to actually back them up.

And then you kick off when challenged, with the disingenuous suggestion it's everybody else who can't cope with being challenged.

itsthefuture · 18/04/2020 18:54

ulver

The person who reported in the Rotherham case was a white female social worker called Jayne Senior. I don't know where you got your information from.

OP posts:
Ulver · 18/04/2020 19:47

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/03/nazir-afzal-there-is-no-religious-basis-for-the-abuse-in-rotherham

In the highly charged fallout from the Rotherham report,

Nazir Afzal, the Crown Prosecution Service’s lead on child sexual abuse and violence against women and girls,

tries to offer a calm perspective. Unruffled by mounting media hysteria over the ethnicity of abusers in Rotherham, he suggests stepping back and taking a wider view of the nationwide picture of child sex abuse.

He led the legal teams that reopened and successfully prosecuted the Rochdale grooming case in 2012, over the abuse of 47 girls by a group of Asian men.

“A few weeks after the Rochdale case, we dealt with a case of 10 white men in North Yorkshire who had been abusing young girls, and they were all convicted and they got long sentences. It didn’t get the level of coverage,” he says.

Ulver · 18/04/2020 19:49

So the lead prosecutor

“ that reopened and successfully prosecuted the Rochdale grooming case in 2012,”

Was himself Muslim.

Ulver · 18/04/2020 19:51

Are you going to comment on the large amount of EDL members who have been prosecuted for possession of child porn and sexual activity with children?

Ulver · 18/04/2020 19:53

My point is not that it’s exclusively one section of society or race.
It’s that it is a widespread and endemic problem across all races and classes of men.
Are you going to tell certain communities that it’s not a problem for them? Because you would be lying.

imcockerhoop · 18/04/2020 20:04

Ulver

Of course crime happens across all sections of society. There are trends however and just finding a case in which white men were prosecuted for child abuse does t really prove anything. All crime should be free for discussion. Including that committed by minority groups .

imcockerhoop · 18/04/2020 20:06

Oh I name changed as I do fairly often due to someone who seems to follow me around the Internet. I am not sock puppetting.

Soontobe60 · 18/04/2020 20:14

You were very specific when you said you worked in law and have brought many perpetrators to justice. The person who does this is a lawyer or barrister and usually works for the crown prosecution service. Neither of whom are frontline NHS workers.
You need to be specific about your job.

imcockerhoop · 18/04/2020 20:20

No - I don't need to be specific about my job. And why would I when ulver has said she/he would report me to my bosses? You clearly do think I'm very very stupid!

No .

CocoCorona · 18/04/2020 20:21

You’re in law and don’t even know who Nazir Afzal is and the role he played in bringing those men to justice 🤔.

Also, here in the UK we don’t leave spaces after the word when using full stops and commas. HTH.

imcockerhoop · 18/04/2020 20:24

Coco
I was referring to the Rotherham cse scandal.

BoreOfWhabylon · 18/04/2020 20:33

Do you hold any sort of professional qualification, OP?
Are you on a professional register?

imcockerhoop · 18/04/2020 20:33

From Nazia afzal.
“I don’t want to play it down. The ethnicity of these perpetrators is what it is. It is a matter of fact. It is an issue that has to be addressed by the state, and the authorities and the community – but it’s important to contextualise this,” he says, racing rapidly through his arguments, twizzling a paper-clip in his fingers in time with his swift delivery.

I am a guardian reader as it happens .
I'm sure you would prefer me to say i buy the mail or better still - the sun to confirm the stereotype you are clearly assuming I am .
Irony eh? .

imcockerhoop · 18/04/2020 20:34

Yes I hold a professional qualification although it is very specific to the job I do.

Why do you ask ?

imcockerhoop · 18/04/2020 20:37

I have 9 gcse grades A-C , A levels, a degree and a professional qualification.

I'm not inclined to upload them for the scrutiny of the mn massive however if that's permissible.

Ulver · 18/04/2020 20:41

imcockerhoop

Yes I hold a professional qualification although it is very specific to the job I do.

Why do you ask ?
Bookmark
Does your qualification expect you to record accurately?
Because you managed to butcher

Nazir Afzal

To Nazia afzal

BoreOfWhabylon · 18/04/2020 20:42

Just interested in what sort of profession would encompass working 'in law', 'bringing perpetrators to justice' and working in the front line of the NHS.

Because, after almost 50 years working in the front line of the NHS I've never encountered this particular skillset. iIt sounds fascinating and I, for one, would like to know more.

imcockerhoop · 18/04/2020 20:46

Well it would be incredibly foolish of me to tell you more would it not since the lynch mob is out .

And you are basing my precessional capability in the fact ive spelt a name incorrectly? This really is a bit desperate now .

imcockerhoop · 18/04/2020 20:48

Ffs professional.

I cannot type on a phone .

BoreOfWhabylon · 18/04/2020 20:52

Well it would be incredibly foolish of me to tell you more would it not since the lynch mob is out

Ah yes. As it would be incredibly foolish of me to unquestioningly accept your claims.

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