Forse's sweethearts section

[Pan]

I know I've been away for a bit, but where did this come from in my absence??

tbh, I do find it a bit distasteful to have it there.

not wishing to be controversial at all. But v. curious.

[McDreamy]

"Being paid to kill children mothers and fathers" is so profoundly offensive that I think people's anger and upset may be affecting their replies. This seems to be goading Pan on. In his dark, sad and cynical world perhaps doctors are paid to make the wrong diagnosis, train drivers are paid to crash their trains, chefs are paid to make people ill with bad food, policemen are paid to victimise black people? The list is endless and is of course nonsense. Terrible things happen Pan, especially in war. But people set out with the best of intentions, in our case to protect people like you. Perhaps you should think carefully about that, about the society you live in, the democracy that you are part of and the people who are trying to keep you safe.

[pooka]

Think Pan is just trying to goad people. Not my idea of fun whatsoever - his attitude stinks.
His posts are laughable IMO - or would be if they weren't so blatantly constructed in order to offend.

[Scootergrrrl]

I hope the film he's gone to see is rubbish as well
And that someone behind him talks shit all the way through while pretending to be oh so very clever and intellectual...

[jinxed]

well said wabbit, i just cant get words out today at all x

[Nightynight]

I find some of the talk on the FS section irritating, for similar reasons to Pan, but I just avoid it.

[Desiderata]

Then ignore this one too, NN.

[Nightynight]

no, desiderata, because this one is questioning it, not a cluster of people all agreeing with each other in their own little ring fenced area.

[Desiderata]

So you think that the services murder women and children and you have a problem with the Forces Sweethearts topic for that reason?

[Nightynight]

They do murder women and children, desiderata. That is not under question. The question is whether you think that the other work they do justifies them murdering women and children from time to time.

ll, it makes me uncomfortable that none of you ever seem to think that there are mumsnetters whose loved ones/relatives/friends might be out in Iraq or Afghanistan fighting on the other side.

[Desiderata]

Sorry, NN.

Beneath my contempt to respond to that.

[saltire]

I'm with LL on this one. No one , except perhaps a fellow Forces wife or partner knows what we think, or what we feel, or how bloody difficult it is We are all well aware that there are MNetters out there who don't agree with what our DH/DP's do, and we accept that. Some people seem to be having a job accepting what our DH's /DP's do.
Our Armed Forces have a F*King hard job, and yes, they signed up to do it, and yes, unfortunately it does sometimes involve killing - kill or be killed in some instances.
However, nightynight, if you really have a problem with us, or what our partners do then don't visit our topics, or threads that mention it. it's called Forces Sweethearts for a reason. We love out partners, and we are the ones who are there, when the shit hits the fan, and believe it me it often does, only a fellow Forces wife will understand what I mean by that.

[Nightynight]

So if I walked into a shopping centre with a gun and killed a load of people, I would only be prosecuted for manslaughter for the women and children, because I only meant to kill the men?
doesnt wash.
and there were atrocities in the wars you mention.
ll, you say you feel that, but that is not what comes across. On one part of MN, people are getting worked up about racism, and on the other part, there is open support for a group of people who, by necessity, must regard those they kill as sub human in some way - or they wouldnt be able to kill them.

To your sufferings that only a fellow forces wife could understand (how patronising, btw), there is a simple solution - dont get involved in organised violence in the first place.
FS is a controversial topic - as I said, I avoid it.

[Nightynight]

"legal" in this context is a joke - the people who defined the Boer war as legal, were those who stood to benefit the most from it!

[EffiePerine]

really stunned by some of this.

NN: I take it you are a pacifist? So there is no conflict in history you would consider to be justified?

If that's your POV (and presumably Pans, though he hasn't said so), fair enough but you should defend it.

LL is right btw, there is a strong, legal, historical distinction between murder and other forms of killing. There are lots of reasons for this, which should be pretty obvious...

[EffiePerine]

right I'm off to be dull somewhere else now...

[Desiderata]

I'm always disappointed by people like you, NN.

I'm really lost for words, other than that I wouldn't follow you into the jungle.

I guess you got it from your parents, and I guess you'll pass it on to your kids.

I don't think you have a single notion of how hurtful and frustrating your comments are. On the one hand, we've had threads all night on semantics when it comes to 'racism', yet on the other hand, you feel that it is perfectly acceptable to come on this forum, and call brave men and women 'murderers.'

I have a lot of friends in the forces. I was born on an RAF base. What the f* do you actually know about it?

[saltire]

Littlelapin, you are so eloquent, whereas I'm not, I tend to go off on one.

NN, you're right, avoid it.

[Desiderata]

It is fundamental, LL. But we can get the OP on one thing tangible.

He can't spell 'forces.'

[Nightynight]

now desiderata, you promised not to respond

ll, if you read my posts I have avoided nothing. throughout history, the british government has defined its wars as illegal...throughout history rich members of the establishment have got richer from said wars...while poor people have died in remote corners of the world, thinking they were fighting for some noble empire/cause.
so sad that nothing changes.

I am not a pacifist, just dont see justification for most of the above.

you carry on posting on your topic - for the third time, I avoid it. Questioning it on a separate thread like this one, is perfectly legitimate.