Forse's sweethearts section

[Pan]

I know I've been away for a bit, but where did this come from in my absence??

tbh, I do find it a bit distasteful to have it there.

not wishing to be controversial at all. But v. curious.

Islam is not a race, I am not a racist or an Islamophobe
(your antennae are malfunctioning)
and as SG pointed out this is not about Islam anyway.

You and your ilk would like it to be about Islam but - it isn't.

I am having a chuckle at your expense. That's true.

What do you expect, though, when you come on MN
suggesting that the FS section might offend the
sensibilities of Mrs. Bin Laden or Mrs. Karadzic?

A serious debate? Hardly.

DJ - I am NOT a national of any of those countries, or, live in them.

OK. A reading and comprehension exercise for those intent on tiring themselves out jumping to conclusions:

• I have nothing personal against any poster here, or anyone purely for being members of the armed services. At all.
• I haven't insulted anyone here personally ( made on unwarranted comment I withdrew,and was sardonic toward one poster. Forgiveable in the insults levied at myself.)
• I am not "angry" at FS section - it is not something I like to see on MN each time I open it, but other bits of the universe are not bespoke for me and I live with them.
• I DO have a suspicion of the "military" for lots of reasons, particularly the British type.
• there IS a sharp inconsistency between what the forces "do" and MN "values"...but this original question is now defunct, as far as I see.

none of this is "back-tracking" - only peeps with reading and comprehension deficits can draw this conclusion.

This really is nuff said. For me.

blimey this thread isn't very nice!

and the award for stating the obvious goes to......

just had to say something

Just read this thread with interest.

I could go on and on about all the humanitarian work my dh has done in the 16 years he has been in the navy but I fear that will fall on certain deaf ears.

What I suggest is that those who question the FS section should spend 6-9 months a year EVERY YEAR for the next 10 - 25 years apart from their significant other.

During this period, they should face constant worry about their other half coming home in a wooden box or that, every time the doorbell or phone rings, for an instant they fear the worst.

They should be forced to live in (often appalling) rented accommodation, miles from friends and family and be forced to move every 18 months, oh, and if the worst did happen, they have just SIX MONTHS to sort out their lives and move house.

Dont forget, they also have to deal with huge separation anxiety from their children, whilst putting on a brave face for all around.

I fear they may need some of the spectacular and often sanity-saving support that Mumsnet has to offer.

Walk a mile in our shoes, then condemn the FS section.

Can I just point out that people on this site have, in the past, given a great deal of support, quite rightly, to someone whose husband was serving a prison sentence. Presumably commiting a crime is also inconsistent with MN values...
Except look - here is it in a nutshell: "Our mission is simple - to make parents? lives easier by offering the most useful, fun and supportive community for parents on the web." (copyright Carrie and Justine)
I am not in the army which you hate even though it defends your freedom - my husband is.

Whatever my personal views I would be hard pushed to take issue over this section.

It's a public forum and it's made up of people from very different and diverse walks of life, that's what makes it so interesting and often frustrating at times

I don't know anyone in the Armed Forces, and infact don't live in the UK, but I couldn't feel that 'Forces' Sweethearts' was inappropriate on a talkboard aimed at support and the sharing of experiences for men and women in all areas of their lives.

I can still retain my own private views regarding war, this doesn't mean that I should lambast those who have a different perspective on the subject.

TnOgu I love you

You didn't understand my post, Pan, let me rephrase it:

If you don't see the value in being able to defend oneself
ask the Bosniaks for clarification.

The trouble with your latest round of backtracking
is that your previous statements are there for all to see:
'just well,...it's the being paid to kill children, and mothers and fathers. Not very Mumsnet it is?? And being subsidised whilst doing it. just curious.'

That statement is a personal insult to all men and women in the forces.

You are feeling awfully sorry for yourself.
Trouble is, you reap what you sow.

Don't worry about hijacking, Our thread is desperately in need of some love.

hugs for all

Even Pan

DJ - oh well. Not seeing how we take that any further. And couldn't be arsed helping you any further. Self-pity? Nah. Try not to obsess about me so much. It's dashed unhealthy. Hey-ho.

Finally, all cleared up then.

daddyj, I find your posts arrogant and shallow.
I never said that Islam was a race. I asked if you were a racists, as you seem to judge by foolish stereotypes.

There are many people who are affected by the war in the middle east, and aggressive American foreign policy, apart from the Mrs Bin Ladens. And yes, a few of them do post on Mumsnet. I don't think it helps anything, to reduce the issue to a series of Sun headline style posts, complete with personal jibes, as you have done.

I am sure you will reply to this post with yet another silly little personal jibe, so I'll take this opportunity to say, that if it isn't worth answering, I won't bother to answer it.

The Taliban force women to wear tents - no stereotype but sad reality.
You appear to defend the Taliban, hence the reference to your tent.

You reckon you'll find a lot of fellow Taliban groupies on MN?
Would they be allowed to use a computer?

Not wishing to be repetitive but
we support our forces regardless of their mission.

Any criticism is directed at the government,
not at the brave men and women doing an incredibly
difficult job on the ground.

sorry but I'm being really tick here- time and time again NN and i think Pan say they are forced to see the title 'forces sweethearts' as it's the first thing they see when they open talk.

It isn't the first thing in the topic list- 'adoptions' are.

FS is way down in the ' In the Club' section.

You also say NN that you don't look at the threads- neither do I but that has nothing to do with my feelings towards the thread- merely that my dh is no longer in the forces so i don't have cause to (although i'm sure I could if I wanted to)

In the same way that I don't look at the due in July threads- I'm not due in July so there is no cause.

pixiefish - when one opens "find discussion" eg last hour, 15 mins etc, FS is at the top. Though in "topics" it is indeed In The Club. Though the position is not the crucial bit.

And still it continues.
I'm sorry you find us so distasteful but I would refer you back to an earlier post about MN being "an informative, fun and supportive community for parents on the web."
I am, obviously, a parent, sometimes a lone one, and am in need of as much support as I can get, especially when my husband is on operations and could be killed for just doing his job
I'm frankly astounded that someone can begrudge me that.

I must have a different MN to you Pan as I don't have find discussion. I have active convos and what's at the top is whatever is most recent.

Can't see why it bothers you- you don't like it don't read t- fairly simple

scootergrrl - I wasn't continuing it. Was only answering pixiefish's query. No desire to go back there.

Hmmm??

above "Active conv" no "Find Discussions?". Odd.