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Forse's sweethearts section

312 replies

Pan · 22/06/2007 11:18

I know I've been away for a bit, but where did this come from in my absence??

tbh, I do find it a bit distasteful to have it there.

not wishing to be controversial at all. But v. curious.

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McDreamy · 22/06/2007 23:46

Here here, goodnight and goodbye!

Nightynight · 22/06/2007 23:49

no, ll, I answered your points. you didnt produce anything that stood up to scrutiny - you said it wasnt worth talking to me because I questioned too many things.

Flamesparrow · 22/06/2007 23:50
Hmm
McDreamy · 22/06/2007 23:54

Whatever NN, as I said the Pan, you are entitled to your opinion whatever that might be. You see life is difficult enough without having to justify our existence to people like yourself.

All we want is the space to talk to each other and we are appreciative to mumsnet to give us our own space. I'll except you don't rush to the Forces Sweetheart section everytime you log on to mumsnet but tbh you won't be missed. If you don't like us or what we stand for please don't post.

Leave us to our chat, let us cope with our lives and support our partners and our families in our way. Thank you, goodnight.

Pan · 23/06/2007 01:14

The Piaf film was utterly brilliant. Highly recommended.......and no-one interrupted it by talking over it.......was with a French friend who brought a Piaf CD and she translated the songs for us in the car on the way home. They are ALL about luuurve in it's many guises.

Aaanyway, too late/early to sift through all of this rubbish. See that McDreamy has mastered cut-and-paste - obviously saves thinking about things. hey-ho.

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Scootergrrrl · 23/06/2007 06:49

Patronising git
Unfortunately we don't all have time to spend gazing at ourselves in the mirror forumlating oh-so-clever ways to make people feel bad about themselves.
Some of us are getting on with the day to day reality of having a partner in Iraq or Afghanistan and tryig our best to care for our children while we're doing it. Now please go away and stop winding everyone up.

hatrick · 23/06/2007 07:32

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Pan · 23/06/2007 08:28

Morning all!

Am really going to make this my last post on the topic, and you can merrily get on with things afterwards without me.

  • I DO object to having a "military" prescence on these boards everytime I log on. It IS distateful to me. You as partners of people in "the forces" do no doubt experience unusual dynamics, but..that is no reason why I should be reminded of it. IT's a RL equivalent of walking about having a "uniform" on every street corner. It IS distateful, but yes I am in a minority.

  • the armed services ARE in the business of slaughtering people, family members. Yes they spend alot of time playing volleyball and skiing and marching around, BUT they don't had out bullets and bombs as personal comforters. They are designed to kill.

  • I have deliberately made no mention of "murder" at all..partly for the legalese mentioned last night.

  • I don't find having an army/navy/air force a benefit AT ALL, but that's another discussion. I do know having one is very expensive, which I help pay for, and would happily opt out of if at all possible. They do not protect my interests at all,and don't kid yourselves when you talk about these things. Same goes with the subsidies forces folk enjoy. You get paid. Pay up like everyone else. I don't see being in the army as "heroic". Just a momumentally stupid thing to do. That's my opinion. And these boards DO have the facility for opinions to be expressed.

I think that covers most things. There will be lots more, but not enough time. Thing is, it is difficult to not patronise when so many posters demonstrate an inability to read and comprehend that which is being written on this thread. It's almost wilful, and designed to make yourselves feel better.

ok. Offski. Sorry if I have offended other posters in my opinion, but that's your choice. AND, personal insults have been pretty much a one way street round here.

morning.

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looneytune · 23/06/2007 08:35

So you're upset that you're being reminded of it just because there is a section called 'Forces Sweethearts', I hardly ever even notice it is there and would NEVER have thought in a million years it would be seen as distasteful!!!

Anyway, so pleased that was your last post. GO AWAY and STAY AWAY!!!

yogimum · 23/06/2007 08:43

Pan My dh is in the RFA and they support the army navy etc, his ship has also been involved in stopping drug trafficking, and also aiding british tourists caught out in hurricanes in the caribbean. So I'm afraid they do look after your interests aswell.

littlelapin · 23/06/2007 08:56

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EffiePerine · 23/06/2007 09:02

Pan: why didn't you just post that to start with? Or were you trying to get people wound up? If that's you POV, fine, youare in a minority, but we could have had a proper discussion about it rather than just lots of hums and general wankiness...

fryalot · 23/06/2007 09:07

so, Pan, you would be ok with the topic if it didn't have the word "forces" in the title.

So if it was called "fluffy sweethearts" and you weren't confronted with the cyber equivalent of a uniform on every corner, that would be ok, would it?

Or would you be able to see through the pink polka dot disguise to the khaki beneath?

Scootergrrrl · 23/06/2007 09:57

Let's hope his house never catches fire while the fire service are on strike, that he never gets caught up in one of the natural disasters the forces assist with aid for, and that he continues to live his sheltered little life in his sheletered little world where he really seems to believe there is no need for a defence force.
God help us, I wish there wasn't. My life would certainly be less stressful.

fryalot · 23/06/2007 10:01

Just to slightly change the subject here.... I remember when a certain wabbit (sorry for using your name in vain, LL) was having trouble with her television and internet connection, she asked for advice and people were posting lots and lots of good advice... Good that is, for the rest of us. She kept explaining that because of what her husband does for a living, the MOD house that she lives in is only allowed a certain cable and internet provider. (sorry if I've got my facts a bit wrong, but this is the gist)

If this topic had existed then, she could have asked for advice on here, and everyone would have known the particular restrictions that she was under and given actual, practical advice that was helpful to her.

anyway.... on with the debate about whether we should have a murdering, slaughtering army, navy and air force....

DaddyJ · 23/06/2007 11:11

Well, I can't help but go easy on Pan & NN
because I used to harbour similar views when I was 12.

Sadly for them (and for the young DaddyJ )
the logic does not stand up to real life scrutiny:

No army = No war/slaughter of families etc

is just as non-sensical as

No police = No crime/rape/burglary etc.

Good thread, though, as it has shown the overwhelming
support our Forces' Sweethearts enjoy on MN!

McDreamy · 23/06/2007 11:14

Dear All,
This threat is starting to feel very negative and frustrating. There are a few people with strong critical views about the forces and what our partners do. They are not open to persuasion or interested in seeing any worth in what our armed forces are trying to achieve.

I propose we draw a line and move on. Forces Sweethears is our topic and it is for our benefit. It's not up to us to justify what our partners' careers, vocations and motives are about.

I say we report and then ignore the malicious and offensive contributors and get back to supporting each other and having a laugh!

McDreamy · 23/06/2007 11:46

Yes DaddyJ you're right it has shown the support that is out there - thanks

Nightynight · 23/06/2007 11:47

well, LL, I said that British wars in the past have only been legal because the British government has defined them as such (and the idea of the British legal system influencing the govt on its own in a matter like war, is laughable, sorry. They might be able to give advice about what would be prosecuted in the international court, that is about the limit of their influence over the military.).

You said "you appear to be avoiding the topic"

then you said
"I'd also suggest that you target your considerable anger at the British Government who, as you mentioned, take us into war in the first place. "

I said "you KNOW what they are like, so why join up, and become cannon fodder or a killer, to make them richer? "

You took offence at the term cannon fodder, and did not answer the question.

Instead, you dragged out WW2, and I said I didnt agree with everything about the official version of events as written by the victors.
Then you ducked out of the discussion with the following comment "You seem bound and determined to question everything - your last post makes it clear that there is no point furthering this discussion"

So I would say it is you who avoids the question, not me.

I think this comment from McDreamy also deserves scrutiny
"You see life is difficult enough without having to justify our existence to people like yourself"
you mean, the people who pay your salary?

I think this comment sums up the closeted world of the armed forces, and nothing I have read on this thread, makes me feel more comfortable about the very one-sided FS topic.

McDreamy · 23/06/2007 11:50

No NN no-one pays my salary as I earn nothing -

My husbands salary? Well he pays as much tax as everybody else, and NI, and council tax, in fact we are subject to the same system as the rest of the UK, but I'm sure you knew that really!

Scootergrrrl · 23/06/2007 12:34

Like it or not, we do have a army, navy and RAF which defends the people of this country and its interests.
Go and ask the people of the Falklands whether they'd rather have spent the last 25 years under Argentine rule.
And if you don't like us forces partners then stay away - I'm sure we'll be avoiding you like the plague in the future

Pan · 23/06/2007 18:23

Hello all.

Quick return, if you don't mind, to withdraw the comment of mine re being in the army is monumentally stupid. It was uncalled for and insensitive in view of members netter's families being currently abroad.
All else remains. Cheers DaddyJ for going easy on NN and I. Much appreciated.

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DaddyJ · 23/06/2007 18:35

No sweat, Pan.
You seemed very hurt by earlier posts, hope feeling better now.

Well done for backtracking further. No shame in making mistakes.

Discussing the role of armies and the evils of warfare is a good idea.

There is no question, however, that the British forces
are legal, legitimate and fully backed by British society.
Wonderful of MNHQ to express our support through the FS section.

Pan · 23/06/2007 18:36

. Bye.

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Scootergrrrl · 23/06/2007 18:43

Bye Pan and apologies if you were offended by any of the personal comments.
Maybe agree to disagree as we obviously aren't going to change your mind and you sure as hell aren't going to change ours.