Mumsnet moderation of trans rights and gender critical issues

[JustineMumsnet]

Hi all,
We've given lots of thought to our moderation policies around trans rights and sex and gender issues and thought it would be a good idea to articulate where we stand in the form of a clear statement, so everyone can be clear about our moderation going forward. You can find it here. Hope it provides a helpful reference point. Thanks.

Because smg, their identitities are a load of made up bollocks with no bearing on reality, science or biology. We can't talk about or protect women if the word woman has no meaning.
You know this. Stop gas lighting us.

Re pronouns, I have attached two examples.
One is a LGBT+ resource and one a TEFL resource.

As a former literacy teacher at a BESD boys' school, language is of particular interest to me.

I have friends & family members in the UK for whom English is a second language. Some of them are currently taking EFL courses.

I have no knowledge if this particular LGBT+ resource is definitive or widely accepted. It cropped up early on in Google images.

The TEFL resource is of course widely accepted.

Daim re badges are you suggesting everyone in Brighton should wear a badge at all times? What will happen with the summer influx of tourists- will they be encouraged to select their badge of choice on arrival?

I like the policy but we might have an issue with not being allowed to correctly call someone by their proper biological referent.

I also think we should be able to express scientific terms like autogynephile and so forth. Those are terms that have been around for decades in the scientific literature.

I also think we should be able to call someone a transactivist. It just means they're trans AND an activist.

TERF and cis are misnomers, TIM isn't.

The point is that TIM was already a compromise. We used TIM instead of man because we were told not to use man.

It's almost like a lot of posters on here don't think the FWR boads can exist without being free to slur trans people!

There's thousands of topics of feminism in the modern world, there's infinite number of issues affecting women worldwide.

And yet all hell breaks loose and hundreds of posts complaining (far more than discussed repeal the 8th) because something more akin to treating trans people with common decency has been suggested.

Feminists have always believed in the right to self determination and the autonomy of identity.

Have we? Is that the Lib fems? They don't do much hill dying tbh.

I don't give any kind of shit about pomo identify fuckwittage.

So this is the beginning of the end for what passed as free speech on MN.

If the words CIS, TERF and TRA or genitals can't be used then I honestly can't see how the discussion can continue.

All we can do is wait a few years for the wave of social contagion to end, for the massive lawsuits and complaints to start. Maybe we'll be able to talk again then.

Never forget how much men HATE women though. This whole thing has really made me understand that.

See some of you on Reddit - I'm just posting this here for you to bookmark for when this section inevitably gets closed: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/

crunchy you are an amazing woman.

(I hope that's true, I have no idea who you are!)

How about just using the terms that individuals have said they wished to be referred by? Respecting people's identities?

What you call "respecting people's identities" is actually men's disrespect of women's real identities and men's colonising of our identities.

Funny how you can hear what men are demanding but you can't see what women are defending.

There's thousands of topics of feminism in the modern world, there's infinite number of issues affecting women worldwide.

And you should feel absolutely free to pop off and start your own threads aboyt those things which I have not noticed you doing

But we're discussing this BECAUSE IT MATTERS.

How about just using the terms that individuals have said they wished to be referred by? Respecting people's identities?

Feminists have always believed in the right to self determination and the autonomy of identity. That used to be the hill they would die on.

That's my idea of feminism too.

daimbars you know exactly what this is about.

On a lighter note. I'm a great aunt to a beautiful baby girl. My lovely nephew has a gorgeous daughter and he is a very proud dad. I remember when he was born.

Sorry if I'm repeating myself.

Let them carry on. Lies, manipulation, supporting the shutting down of debate, enforcing speech, supporting violence against women and intimidation of women in court. The list goes on.

I will use long descriptions of those human beings who:

are worthy of the same human rights as any other human being, who were born one sex but have reasons to believe that they are in fact not happy with the way their body is and want to change their body to appear to be the opposite sex; or, are in fact happy with the way their body is and have no intention of changing it but wish to wear clothes which are (stereo)typically seen as belonging to the opposite sex and; to have the cultural behaviours traditionally applied to the opposite sex applied to them; except where these behaviours don't suit them, in which case they reserve the right to make demands society in general to submit to their demands, whatsoever they might be.

Love it!
The precise level of criminality that make it okay to use the correct biological words for someone is less than clear to me.

But Gibberty that just shows that you don't understand feminism.

Or biology for that matter.

The feminist threads are what keep mumsnet going.

Totally agree with your post crunchy

But super by your reasoning it doesn't matter it it's true or not does it? She could be the least amazing most mediocre crappy woman ever. But she identifies as amazing so that trumps reality or other people's perceptions.
No offence crunchy I'm sure you are amazing.

This is a quote from the Guardian article

Nick Baker, outreach and communications manager of Hero, a LGBQT rights organisation, broadly welcomed the change in moderation policies: “The forums on gender at Mumsnet have for a long time been a horrible place for anyone who advocates for LGBTQ+ rights.”
“Mumsnet have at last recognised this issue and the damaging effect it has on trans people and that sweeping negative generalisations about any group will not be tolerated. However, the proposed policy to also moderate terms such as cisgender [identifying with the gender one has at birth] show that the forums may not be set up to enable balanced discussion on gender identity.”

You can't win @Nick Baker, outreach and communications manager of Hero, a LGBQT rights organisation, broadly welcomed the change in moderation policies: “The forums on gender at Mumsnet have for a long time been a horrible place for anyone who advocates for LGBTQ+ rights.”
“Mumsnet have at last recognised this issue and the damaging effect it has on trans people and that sweeping negative generalisations about any group will not be tolerated. However, the proposed policy to also moderate terms such as cisgender [identifying with the gender one has at birth] show that the forums may not be set up to enable balanced discussion on gender identity.”

You can't win (MNHQ) nothing will ever be enough for them and you risk losing many loyal mumsnetters

Sorry placemats

In my haste to finish the thread I completely forgot to congratulate your family

Very many congratulations on the birth of the new baby

But super by your reasoning it doesn't matter it it's true or not does it?

No harm in giving people the benefit of the doubt though is there? Why not start off by expecting the best of people?

This really is fucking depressing.

#pipedownwomenmenarespeaking
#itsamansworld
#thepenishasspoken
#noonegivesashitaboutwomenandgirls

Thank you Rufus

We are all so happy!

Congrats placemats
Nothing like a new baby to bring some joy into life

Because woman as a class know from experience that men as a class are a danger to us. Why should we give the benefit of the doubt when it means putting our lives at risk?