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Mumsnet moderation of trans rights and gender critical issues

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JustineMumsnet · 13/06/2018 09:31

Hi all,
We've given lots of thought to our moderation policies around trans rights and sex and gender issues and thought it would be a good idea to articulate where we stand in the form of a clear statement, so everyone can be clear about our moderation going forward. You can find it here. Hope it provides a helpful reference point. Thanks.

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JoanSummers · 13/06/2018 18:37

Women, know thy place.

ON OUR KNEES

FUCK THAT

BarrackerBarmer · 13/06/2018 18:38

Please Sir

A list of MNHQ approved terms

1.One for pure biology - the XX/ovary/uterus bodied (that we agree is a reality and can't be identified into, out of, or censored - a factual reality never an identity)
2.Ditto for the XY/penis/prostate/testicle gang

  1. One for an identity that can be honoured because it is in no way ambiguous or confusable with point 1.
  2. Repeat point 3 until identity types are exhausted
AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 13/06/2018 18:39

Sex is immutable

I will not be forced to tell lies

I am Fucking Angry Spartacus

@MNHQ, this is a bogus policy.

Tell us why Ian Huntley is an exception to the rule

Tell us what words we are expected to use to describe human beings with biologically male bodies, chromosomes and reproductive systems who wish to present in 'feminine manner' or who think they are women. A word that does not force us to lie about the biological reality.

Or do you really just want us to fuck off? Because many of us will, but I can guarantee that this issue won't go away. And it will come back to bite you in the arse sooner or later.

NotTerfNorCis · 13/06/2018 18:39

This is on the Guardian now.

MawSandra · 13/06/2018 18:39

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BeyondSceptical · 13/06/2018 18:40

I honestly don't have a clue now. Gonna just keep it zipped so I can't say the wrong thing 🤐

My mind will still know biological facts though, no one can stop that.

KataraJean · 13/06/2018 18:41

Thank you JoanSummers your response may just lift me out of my despair!

BeyondSceptical · 13/06/2018 18:42

Yy. The precise level of criminality that make it okay to use the correct biological words for someone is less than clear to me.

crunchymint · 13/06/2018 18:42

I rarely comment on these threads, but just wanted to add that without the feminists, MN has absolutely nothing unique about it. I hope you realise that you actually need the feminist posters here. Without them it is simply a differently designed NM.

BarrackerBarmer · 13/06/2018 18:43

JoanSummers
I think I'm also going to start using [you know who] or [they who must not be named]

I am Vulvamort.
Come sit by me.

thebewilderness · 13/06/2018 18:43

The Guardian calls the ones who beat MN into submission Transgender Activists.
Is that what MN would like us to call the males formerly known as transgender identified males?

JoanSummers · 13/06/2018 18:43

I am a woman. I've always been a woman, or a girl child who will grow to be a woman.

My sisters and mothers and aunts and grandmothers and great aunts and great grandmothers have all been women.

It is a fucking disgrace that Mumsnet is telling us that we may not name who we are and who our sisters and mothers are.

It is a huge violation that Mumsnet is forcing us to accept men as our sisters and mothers and grandmothers and aunts*.

*especially aunts - I don't want to know what the fetish is that makes men identify as aunts.

daimbars · 13/06/2018 18:43

Really surprised so many people aren't happy about this. All Mumsnet is asking is for the discussion not to be hateful.

Kettlepotblackagain · 13/06/2018 18:44

Men who have managed to get positions in office to represent women, will never speak for nor represent me.

They are not women, they are men.

Nothing a man does, no matter how many skirts he wears or how much lipstick he puts on, will ever be called a woman by me.

They are not women, they are men.

No man who enters and competes in a female sports event will ever be called a woman by me.

They are men, they are not women.

No man, who has decided to call himself a woman, but who is an adult male human with a penis, ie a man, will ever be use my female changing space, toilet, hospital ward with my blessing.

They are not women, they are men.

I will never deny scientific fact to protect the delusions of a minority, and in the process put us, our mothers and our daughters in danger. Nor disrespect those women who fought so very hard for our basic rights which some still seem to think are ‘privileges’.

Shame on mumsnet for taking down the Spartacus thread. It doesn’t matter how micbee are offended, stressed, ‘hurt’, outraged we are that lies are spread as truth, that facts are pushed aside like an annoying little inconvenience. All that matters is that the men have their say. I feel sick. But I also think this has strengthened the resolve. I think Mumsnet was congratulating themselves for clarifying the situation and putting an end to it, when they have just highlighted how strong we all are.

9years · 13/06/2018 18:46

Still Spartacus

Hyppolyta · 13/06/2018 18:47

daimbars no, we are expected to lie.

An adult male is a man.
I dont care how he feels, what he wears, or how much surgery hes had.

Still a man.
If he would like to choose a nice, new, none offensive name to call himself, great.
I think we could all agree to respect that.

Expecting us all to lie and say hes a woman now is insane, offensive to us women, and we will not stand for it.

Hyppolyta · 13/06/2018 18:47

daimbars no, we are expected to lie.

An adult male is a man.
I dont care how he feels, what he wears, or how much surgery hes had.

Still a man.
If he would like to choose a nice, new, none offensive name to call himself, great.
I think we could all agree to respect that.

Expecting us all to lie and say hes a woman now is insane, offensive to us women, and we will not stand for it.

thebewilderness · 13/06/2018 18:47

“The forums on gender at Mumsnet have for a long time been a horrible place for anyone who advocates for LGBTQ+ rights.”

Check this out. The Feminist forum is now the forum on gender according to this d00d.
Women's studies are now gender studies and the MN Feminism chat is now the gender forum because a man says so.
"That's the way you do it!" Smack.

thebewilderness · 13/06/2018 18:49

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EeebyMum · 13/06/2018 18:50

You’ve literally shut women up to please men.

#Spartacus

tobee · 13/06/2018 18:51

I'm still Spartacus

crunchymint · 13/06/2018 18:52

No the feminist forum has been a great place for lesbians. Unlike most places.

thebewilderness · 13/06/2018 18:52

Like other transgender advocates the Guardian writer says transgender people when they mean men.
The verbal trick to compare women to people is such a common deception that most people do not even notice.

JoanSummers · 13/06/2018 18:52

Still Spartacus

daimbars · 13/06/2018 18:52

It's a balanced policy though, 'cis' and 'terf' aren't to be tolerated either so it's not just policing GC women it's making it a welcoming place for everyone.

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