Mumsnet moderation of trans rights and gender critical issues

[JustineMumsnet]

Hi all,
We've given lots of thought to our moderation policies around trans rights and sex and gender issues and thought it would be a good idea to articulate where we stand in the form of a clear statement, so everyone can be clear about our moderation going forward. You can find it here. Hope it provides a helpful reference point. Thanks.

I feel more confused then ever really! But that's what comes of trying to guess what's going on in people's minds rather than relying on biology and science.

Glibberty

You have to be an XY to impregnate an XX

MN just put up a neon sign on their back that reads KICKME

You've got to call people what they say they are. But not Ian Huntley. Ok then! I do sympathise in my kinder moments but mostly I'm torn between raging and laughing.

Jenner has no problem with still being known as the Dad. But words don't mean anything, I forgot.

Eg

*This whole business is extremely stressful.

I would walk away from this debate if I could, but the implications of giving in to this ideology are too serious for women and girls, and I can't do it.

I wish I could*

This

And JoanSummers and Barackerbarmer you, quite frankly, are amazing.

"Caitlin fathered many children."

OK. I didn't know. TBH I know next to nothing about Caitlin

On a more pleasant and mumsnetty note.

I've become a great aunt! A beautiful baby girl. Her sex was noted during a pregnancy scan. Verified at birth.

She is beautiful! Parents are so proud and delighted and on a deserved high.

LangCleg - I think I'm out of sympathy for MN. I like MN because I like many of the women posting here. But I'm struggling to these rules as anything less than collaborating with abusers to kick women in the teeth.

Congrats placemats, that is joyful news :)

But in our experience, hard and fast rules simply spur the determined on to circumvent their spirit – and what we’re trying to do here is create a more civilised and constructive discussion, rather than operating a tick box on language.

So you are creating a three strikes tick box for women who are insufficiently submissive to transgender authority when they exercise the free speech that you say you support?
Are we allowed to say transgender males or do we now need to say gender reassigned males? Males who claim to be gender reassigned?

I find this more confusing than the previous policy.

I'm beginning to think the same Joan

Would biologically male transperson (BMT) and biologically female transperson (BFT) be acceptable?

Thanks Joan

I can't stop smiling!

Good plan barracker!

We could have 🍆 and 🥑 for anatomy related discussion and 👗 and 👔 for gender role related discussion...

Congratulations Placemats! How lovely to have a new little girl to welcome into the world.

I really do need an acceptable term for [you know who] that a) doesn't get me deleted, and b) doesn't appropriate words pertaining to the female sex.

If MNHQ give me a choice of approved terms that meet these requirements, I will use them.

If there are no permitted words for me to say what I mean, how can I say it?

This.

Shall I just carry on with [you know who]?

Thank you daimbars

2. We don’t allow posts which are derogatory or aggressive towards trans people. We believe there are ways to express both opinion and facts without crossing this line.

But mumsnet allows posts that are derogatory towards many groups of people .
There are derogatory posts about men, about women, about religions and religious people , about politics, about certain political ideologies , etc . Why are trans people exclusively protected ?

Well they are taking the Spartacus thread down. What a surprise.

MN women you were a little group that no one ever heard of and you have enlightened thousands of women about this ideology. You are such an unprecedented challenge to transactivism's rampage over women's rights that they want to shut you down completely. There is no reason to stop. This is evidence of success. They are so afraid, they are sooo terrified that they cannot stand a bunch of women talking together. This is how fragile they are. Would we rather be ignored? No! Every single day MN women are making a difference and raising a challenge. If they give us a pig's ear, we will make a purse. To my last breath I will not say a man is a woman. We have right on our side and we will articulate that whatever fences are out around our words.

You can't change sex. A man is not a woman. Viva Spartacus.

Transgenderism is a cult. It’s a religion. And the cleverest thing it did was to hitch itself to the wagon of ‘oppressed minorities’.

LGB people never expected the world to change its view of reality. They just wanted to be themselves. Transgender is the enemy of homosexuality. It’s a cuckoo in the nest.

In my most paranoid tin foil hat moments I really do believe the whole movement is a concerted effort to strip women and LGB people of their rights. And it’s working.

Spartacus thread deleted.

I wrote this:

I am Spartacus. I'm also polite, well mannered, well educated, feminine and a feminist.

When STBXH announced after a period of depression, after years of his abusing me at home, that he was deep in his soul a woman, I tried. I really tried. I bought make up for him, clothes, tried marriage counsellors, I listened to what he now told me, I tried to not think about how this contradicted my memory and tried to forget the brilliant man he had been.

When he tried to bully me into sleeping with other people so that he could dress up and serve us tea, (a very British eye roll) I said no, I started talking about it on Mumsnet, and you vipers sorted me right out. Thank you. I wasn't a bigot to say no.

And I'm not a bigot by knowing about and talking about the sexual aspect and behaviour of his identity.

Also, he still uses "he/him" so boo you to all those who want to police pronouns on his behalf. You don't speak for him, and I'm not prepared to stop speaking.

Thanks for your help,

Birdbandit/Diddlemethis