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Deletions due to being discussed elsewhere

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Coconutspongexo · 15/11/2017 08:38

Hi

I was wondering if this is going to be the case for all posts now? Can they be deleted just because they’re discussed elsewhere?

It’s a public forum of course all posts might be discussed elsewhere, that’s the risk you take when you post online.

Why doesn’t this happen when people’s threads end up on Facebook/twitter pages dedicated to slating MN users? Not to mention the scummy journos who lift entire threads on here but MNHQ are happy to keep them?

I thought you didn’t delete threads unless against guidelines etc? Is this going to be a new guideline? Must not be discussed on certain forums?

OP posts:
Battleax · 16/11/2017 00:43

So focussed on chatting about....

Battleax · 16/11/2017 00:46

Battleax you might not notice if you don't "know" the people some of them are talking about. It all went right over my head until yesterday when I looked waaaay back (I was stuck in the house for a day with shit hot wifi and an equally bored and rather techy friend who also uses mn). We had fun. And ended up more than slightly disillusioned.

What does that mean?

This is all double Dutch.

They're weaving secret code amongst the posts?

Confused
paxillin · 16/11/2017 00:51

They're weaving secret code amongst the posts? I am. Drench your tablet in lemon juice and hold it over a candle, the secret code will appear.

Battleax · 16/11/2017 00:52

I can't decide if you're a tin foil hatter or whether you actually know something significant and playing "I know something you don't know" games.

Battleax · 16/11/2017 00:54

I only have birthday candles and kiwi fruit pax.

I'll lurk here until someone starts talking some sense. If ever. I think farce is probably just paranoid TBH.

IMightMentionGriddlebone · 16/11/2017 00:54

You're only going to notice misrepresentations (which may be either deliberate or have arisen through honest misunderstanding/dodgy memory) being accepted on faith if you were an active MNer at the time of discussion, and have your own recollections.

FarseAboutAce · 16/11/2017 00:55

Nope, it means I read a lot of the board in a short time. And put lots of 2s and 2s together so now I understand how it works and who is driving it (though most of the posters don't seem to have noticed).

Compiling information on posters is scarily easy on Reddit Shock. Not that I'm going to do anything with it (I'm not nasty, I wouldn't do that to anyone, even if they have shown they are happy to do it to others), but Reddit makes it so easy.

I don't get the "making a name bit" either, but it seems like that's what some people want to do. At least I can't think of any other reason to be so confrontational, so nasty, so invasive, so vindictive. It's like that's their reason for living, to poke, poke, poke on an internet forum and upset as many people as they can for no other reason that I can see but to have others admire them for it.

I'm assuming the reason for discussing the voting is that there is continual declaration that it's an open site, that anyone can say anything, that there is no censorship, that the mods don't delete. But downvoting in the way it's being used there is censorship, and should be against the declared ethos, but is instead celebrated and a reason for gloating.

FarseAboutAce · 16/11/2017 00:59

I'm off to bed now. I assume this thread won't be there in the morning, but if the real nasties over on Reddit take one thing on board today it will be good - be careful. If you are happy to out genuine mumsnetters who are having a shit time, someone one day might do it to you.

Do as you would be done by is a good way to live, I would have thought.

Victim blaming along the lines of "she posted it, it's her fault if we go through it with a toothcomb and pick out all the bits we can to build up a case to make her feel shit" isn't clever, it's just plain nasty.

Finally, if you set up an anti-troll site, beware the trolls within because if there is one thing trolls love it's pretending to be genuine and fooling the troll-hunters Grin

Night all.

paxillin · 16/11/2017 01:03

I understand how it works and who is driving it (though most of the posters don't seem to have noticed).

Perhaps I'm a bit dim, but I don't think there is a big conspiracy there. I see lots of current or former mnetters who miss aspects of the old times. Some miss the frequent fun, clever general chats for instance. Many troll-hunt. MN won't budge on that so they went elsewhere.

FarseAboutAce · 16/11/2017 01:10

Hee hee, I see I now have my own thread on Reddit, with a few lies already. I have never downvoted anyone because I don't have a Reddit account, much less multiple accounts "to comb through profiles".

There is a great example of what i'm talking about. A complete lie, posted on Reddit, accepted by the thickos over there. It is amazing how grown adults can just believe what they read.

I wonder what other lies they will have made up about me by the time I get up in the morning. If they had any sense they would look closer to home for multiple account holders and liars.

JaneJeffer · 16/11/2017 01:13

Who has the time to search MN and compile lists and discuss them elsewhere? And why would they want to? Some people have the strangest hobbies. Makes me feel so lazy Grin

Weebo · 16/11/2017 01:15

It's like that's their reason for living, to poke, poke, poke on an internet forum and upset as many people as they can for no other reason that I can see but to have others admire them for it.

That is the perfect description for the troll in question.

Then when people suss her out and turn on her she name changes and starts all over again.

DixieNormas · 16/11/2017 01:17

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

FarseAboutAce · 16/11/2017 01:17

Though with a bit of luck they might have finally noticed the troll. At least the main troll.

I wonder how long before they find the link to the other one. Who is really the same one. Though I do understand that it can be very confusing. Especially if you are thick. Or gullible.

Dunno Jane, there seem to be a lot of them.

Seriously going to bed now.

DixieNormas · 16/11/2017 01:19

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Weebo · 16/11/2017 01:22

I think I know who you mean by 'the other one' Farse.

They definitely have the same whiff about them as the main troll.

AstridWhite · 16/11/2017 05:25

Yes, it is a sub that is hosted on Reddit, but that doesn't mean anything re audience. The only way anyone would find it among all those thousands of subs on Reddit is by searching for "Mumsnet" and then they would find Mumsnet itself before they find that sub anyway.

Thanks for pointing this out, looks like there might have been a bit of misunderstanding here, we used the term 'wider' to describe an audience outside of Mumsnet, not necessarily larger. Sorry for any confusion - in short, we're just about doing what we can to make parent's lives easier.

I think whether the Reddit sub reaches a 'wider' or a 'larger' audience and compromises posters' privacy is beside the point really. It's easy for MNHQ to use that line as an easily digestible way of explaining why they are uncomfortable with the Reddit sub but it's just skirting around the real issue which is that the Reddit sub has found a genius way to completely and utterly subvert the MN Talk guidelines.

The posters on Reddit can, and frequently do,

Troll hunt (some of them are shit hot at it, frankly)

Have massive slanging matches where vicious personal attacks are thrown around with impunity

Make super sleuthy connections between user names both on MN and the Reddit sub and accuse poster X or also being Y and Z. Sometimes they are probably right, but often they are completely wrong. However if enough people shout it loudly and often enough it becomes generally accepted to be true, which is a PITA.

Drag up past posting histories and pick apart posters' stories

Doxx posters

Misrepresent posters, blatantly lie about them if they want to and in the case of posters who have had their histories removed on MN it's pretty difficult to either prove or disprove anything either way, so again something just becomes accepted as 'truth' because it says so on Reddit.

And .....and nothing. They just can. Confused

This is has to be a turning point for MNHQ. They are going to have to make a change somewhere if they are going to be able to take back any control of this.

Either:

MNHQ amend their Talk Guidelines so that it is no longer against the rules to openly troll hunt or to question an OP about conflicting info in past threads. It won't be pretty and it won't be 'supportive' or 'all about making parents' lives easier' but plenty of other fora manage just fine like that, Reddit being one of them.

Or:

MNHQ change their policy to say they will consistently delete ALL threads that are reported to them as having been linked to, discussed or lifted either wholly or in part by ALL third parties on ANY other internet or media platform.

Or:

MNHQ start deleting threads completely arbitrarily, without any justification or explanation to us lot. If they don't like the whiff of something going down on Reddit then ZAP! No lip service attempt at showing they've followed self-imposed strict guidelines or consistent policies on deletions. Cue some wailing accusations of a fascist dictatorship with Justine as the new Robert Mugabe, but so what? It's her site. Don't like it? Leave.

Or:

They alter this forum to allow posters to edit their posts or to delete threads they've started altogether.

Coconutspongexo · 16/11/2017 06:56

Okay I’ve been In work all night and honestly didn’t expect any progress at all on this thread.

If anyone wants to find me on Reddit I’ve said it numerous times my name is the same on both.

Farce are you purposely trying to threaten to out people? Considering you can complle a lot of info on Reddit? & saying they need to be carefu? Hmm no one on Reddit has ever threatened to out anyone so who’s the ‘mean’ one now?

OP posts:
CoteDAzur · 16/11/2017 07:14

“So Cote, if I toddled off to the MN subreddit and registered, and posted something that many over there would disagree with (I can't think what I could post to make that happen smile), then you are saying it wouldn't be all that easy for the regular posters who disagreed with me to downvote me out of sight? ”

I’m saying that you would have to consistently posts hugely unpopular comments for your overall karma to go negative, and that is when you would need to wait a bit between posts. Not if one or two if your posts are downvoted.

You would need to go around posting “You are all twats” etc on each thread... which I realise would not be a problem for you Wink

LineysRum · 16/11/2017 07:19

So people can use to this thread to talk to banned compromised people on the thread in the other place, and bring their replies back across to here?

Like communicating with people in alternative universes or timelines?

And this communication architecture and its source code hasn't been destroyed by The Agents yet?

That's spiritual, man.

SoupDragon · 16/11/2017 07:22

I’m saying that you would have to consistently posts hugely unpopular comments for your overall karma to go negative

Or be a poster they don't like.

CoteDAzur · 16/11/2017 07:23

Astrid - Good post. I agree with most of it, but these points are not correct:

“Doxx posters”

There’s no doxxing in the Reddit sub. It seems to be the only deleteable offense, in fact.

“Misrepresent posters, blatantly lie about them if they want to and in the case of posters who have had their histories removed on MN it's pretty difficult to either prove or disprove anything either way, so again something just becomes accepted as 'truth' because it says so on Reddit.”

In the most recent case of Euph-whatshername, OP of that thread over on Reddit was told repeatedly that her accusations are wrong. She refused to delete those comments but it’s there for all to see that the misrepresentations didn’t just “become accepted as truth”, as you say.

I like it that threads & posts don’t get deleted over there, so you can actually see for yourself what happened, and history doesn’t get rewritten.

CoteDAzur · 16/11/2017 07:24

Liney Grin

exLtEveDallas · 16/11/2017 07:25

Like communicating with people in alternative universes or timelines?

Ooh it’s Narnia all over again, just using a different platform

exLtEveDallas · 16/11/2017 07:32

As a sometime lurker on Reddit (when I still thought it was a good idea) I saw a number of posters say XXX about other MNers (usually ‘royalty’ types) that could not be verified and I firmly believe were out and out bollocks. Funnily enough each time it happens there was the disclaimer “had all her posts withdrawn” “was in chat” “can’t remember what name she was using to AS” when asked for proof.

It made me realise that actually, Reddit took an awful lot of the MN trolls with them (but now I’ve read this thread, made not a lot of MN trolls, just one Redditor with lots of names)

And it’s happening now with the MNer this thread is about I see - lots of “but it’s her own fault, she said XYZ before” when it cannot be proved either way.

Reddit seemed like a lot of fun at the start, not so much now.

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