Disablism

[BishopBrennansArse]

Shiny new thread.

Hopefully won't get derailed.

Have to add that if someone discloses a disability don't rip into them and claim it's an "excuse" or that they are exaggerating. Don't completely ignore the impact the disability has on them and give them a kicking. As a general point. Shouldn't even need saying that that should be a rule.

But sadly it does

Yes, I got the thread title was unacceptable just by reading it. Can't imagine why anyone would think that wording was ok!

I'm out of that other thread. I can't anymore guys I'm sorry.

I missed the last thread, but candy that's very well put.

It always amazes me amount of sheer angry and zero patience and understand others can have over issue. If you try explain using an example it's seen as very aggressive and personal to them (and as non disabled it dosnt even impact their lives). Yet we who put up with it everyday on some level have to be 100 X more careful and patient and not get upset at all ever!

Here we are!

I think one of the problems is ignorance of the social model, that disability is a societal problem not a medical condition, so no, that kid in the saunas mum isn't the problem, that colleague isn't the problem, the wheelchair on the bus isn't the problem, SOCIETY is the problem.

So, paralysis = medical condition, being disabled as a result of paralysis societal issue.

EG

A wheelchair user wants to get into a building with a step at the entrance. Under a social model solution, a ramp would be added to the entrance so that the wheelchair user is free to go into the building immediately. Using the medical model, there are very few solutions to help wheelchair users to climb stairs, which excludes them from many essential and leisure activities.
A teenager with a learning difficulty wants to live independently in their own home but is unsure how to pay the rent. Under the social model, the person would be supported so that they can pay rent and live in their own home. Under a medical model, the young person might be expected to live in a communal home.
A child with a visual impairment wants to read the latest best-selling book, so that they can chat about it with their sighted friends. Under the medical model, there are very few solutions. A social model solution makes full-text audio recordings available when the book is first published. This means children with visual impairments can join in cultural activities with everyone else.

I know to you guys on this thread, that's like telling your grandma to suck eggs, but I think that it's lacking for many.

Too many don't realise that the illness is the illness society's reaction to it is the disability.

Fanjo
"It's appalling, watching you being told you are over sensitive on other thread for mentioning disablism BBA"

I wonder if this snarky comment was aimed at me? I mentioned something similar on the other thread in the middle of a what I was hoping was a civil question, I really didn't expect it to be repeated elsewhere and twisted out of context to make it sound so bad

If you can't make your points honestly without plain lying about other posts you should take a look at yourself.

And so it begins again...

What do you mean by that please Bishop

A few threads back, when it looked like progress was being made and MNHQ started with the personal deletion messages, we had some success with collective reporting of posts. It's not the MN way but I think HQ acknowledge there's an issue and if we link to offensive posts and multiples of us report offensive posts would appear brighter on the radar.

I know it's another education thing - but education really is the way forwards.

(Said by someone who's had a few months off the fight, to avoid the extra emotional loading)

It's like Groundhog Day. These threads get posted, they turn into a bunfight, get deleted and it starts again. I've been here 8 or 9 years and it's always happened.

It's beyond a joke. Disablism is a serious issue but it's not tackled. It's a shame.

If you're going to quote people and take their comments from other threads you can't really complain if they want to defend themselves or clarify things.

its not tackled, and instead we have to deal with people constantly telling us we're wrong, its not meant that way, we're oversensitive...etc

And Gruffalo, we don't mind discussing it, we do mind being told we're wrong when we're trying to explain to people, actually, we're not, and this is why.

Thanks for understanding Agruffalo

In the interests of honesty I have reported what I originally said in the other thread to HQ so they can compare it with the accusation and delete my post if need be.

I see the derailing is underway.... Please ignore it. I'm learning a lot from this.

I wasn't actually directly quoting you.

But so what. Fuck this shit. This is why I don't post on general MN threads now. And just illustrates how things are on MN for people dealing with disability, beautifully.

Maddy where is the line of what is/isn't disablist? I genuinely ask because I am disabled myself, but even I can't identify what some see in the posts. Should disability not be discussed unless it comes from the disabled community itself? It just seems really hard to identify. I'm not saying that it shouldn't be identified but it just seems so easy to be demonised on here for using the wrong wording.

Hi, just here in solidarity as I am on good speaking terms with a few of the MNers on here (ma fellow ninjas 🤓)

Also sick of seeing disabilist comments left to stand on threads, and any discussion about disabilism being allowed to turn into a bun fight with no respect for the people who are trying to have a fair discussion.

(A thread in particular wound me up where posters tried to argue that the word 'disabilism' isn't a word )

Threads and posts can be referenced of course they can, but accurately and honestly. No one would argue with that.

True that, although I feel I was unfairly misrepresented tbh, otherwise I wouldn't have turned a hair.

Other thread has rightly gone