Please can we have a Trans topic?

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The trans debate seems to be devouring the boards at the moment. It's spread across feminism, chat and AIBU and it's often not clear from a thread title that it's going to be another trans thread.

Considering that trans threads are accumulating in numbers and attract hundreds of posts and posters I think it's time trans was given its own topic.

I agree but MNHQ have said no so many times, it's not going to happen. It's frustrating to see the same tired arguments again and again and threads that mention sex offenders or misogynists who also happen to be trans but rarely mention trans people who are decent human beings, but it really isn't going to change any time soon.
When I'm feeling brave I post and politely disagree with anything I see as particularly offensive, but often just hide them and get on with my life (as I will this thread shortly!)

I disagree with a separate topic. There are plenty of topics I'm not interested in so i just don't click the link.

There are atleast 3 issues being discussed at the moment because of current stories in the news and programmes broadcast.

The threads have nothing to do with sex offenders and everything to do with women's rights and the adoption of questionable practices on the basis of scarce scientific and medical evidence.

I don't like it, move it somewhere I don't want to see it, hide things that I find distasteful or confronting to give me a SAFE SPACE.

No, no, no!

Wrt the recent trans-entitlement that seems to be sweeping the western world at the moment, I think it's hugely important that we keep it on the main boards.

Most people, me included, have genuine sympathy and feeling for those transpeople that just want to get on with their lives free of judgement & persecution - I'm on their side 100%.

Unfortunately, a vocal minority of Me! Me! Me! men have done what a vocal minority of men have done since the dawn of time - decided they Are Much More Important and Should Be Bowed Down To.

These men are not only trampling all over women (as per), but are also trampling all over genuine transpeople in the process.
Any hard fought acceptance that was starting to come about for genuine transpeople is being eroded & rejected because of these vocal & self-centred few.

For women, AND for genuine transpeople we need to keep the pathetic, attention seeking, minimising actions of these hideous men in the mainstream - so people can realise just how damaging these people have become.

Considering that trans threads are accumulating in numbers and attract hundreds of posts and posters I think it's time trans was given its own topic.

The reason it is spread accross various topics is because it affects different areas of life.
Trans issues are not a topic on their own, they can be a teenager issue, a femminist issue and a AIBU so they fit. There is no need for its own topic.

Just dont read them OP. It wont harm you to spend 10 seconds reading a post. Should we have a mil topic as they crop up everywhere?

I agree OP. But it won't happen. Just keep on clicking 'Hide thread'.

we do need a topic for it.

i agree it needs talking about, but quite frankly i'm sick of hiding threads so i don't have to keep stumbling over the astonishing level of transphobia and offensive witterings of people who think they're more intelligent than they really are.

the few that have been enlightening and interesting and getting into proper gritty discussion are constantly littered with bitch ploppers, grandstanders, me-railers and cunts, and its getting boring.

Disagree, this issue has huge implications for women and shouldn't be hidden away.

Yeah, I hate offensive threads where people who are wrong just call other people cunts!

There is an astonishing level of misogyny on Mumsnet.

HQ already said no. They said they only consider new topics when those actually involved in the talking decide they want one - not to segregate a topic of conversation away from the rest of the boards.

Sorry :)

No. Most of the threads are about the erosion of women's and children's rights.

The 'safe space' mentality is so wrong - places where you never hear challenging opinions are extremely dangerous. (and also a particularly nasty case of the appropriation of a term vital to womens rights - physical 'safe spaces' for people who have suffered or may suffer actual harm - women's refuges etc)

I dont think there should be a seperate trans topic

Would agree with others that most threads are concerned with the erosion of womens rights

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you can hide individual threads though

in fairness, many topics go across a range of boards

I think it's really important to raise awareness of this as well

btw I actually got told off by a poster for using the term "brexit" because they considered it such a nonsense. This was a while ago obviously!! - but it's a good example of how something can be quite close to affecting people and they don't know.

Yes, pleeeeeaaase. We've had around ten threads this week alone. When we had that number after Brexit MN opened up a separate topic. Surely it's no different? After all, Brexit affects a hell of a lot more people.

And no. Not until we have a topic for MILs, parking, weddings, back to school....

All of those are of much more general interest, and don't attract the level of vitriol against a very small and vulnerable area of society. Yes, I know MiLs attract vitriol, but they don't fit the other parameters.

As for the suggestion that the subject is too important: is it really more important than feminism, disability, health, politics and the EU? Don't we have an equal need to raise awareness of disability and SEN?

SpecialSnowflake

Surely it would be transphobic to insist that any posts in trans topics are segregated?

After all, Brexit affects a hell of a lot more people

How on earth did you work that out? I'd rather have a separate topic for people trying to silence women.

Brexit primarily affects the population of the UK. The current TA agenda impacts on women in many different countries. That's a very parochial POV.

Threads about trans issues and women's rights are not about vitriol. Frustration maybe, but not vitriol. They may look one sided, but it's difficult for them to represent a range of views when one 'side' seems unable to present their point of view in a clear and logical way.

Pragmatically, many people feel that open debate is not being allowed to discuss issues that harm women.
People are not going to post in a topic if they feel that it has been created to shut down debate, and MN will find it very difficult to keep moving threads against poster's wishes.

People weren't actively trying to shut down debate on Brexit.

As for the suggestion that the subject is too important: is it really more important than feminism, disability, health, politics and the EU?

The trans issues affects ALL of these areas. The way it's going, a man can say he's a woman and claim a job that's intended for a woman, demand to be permitted to stay on a female ward, be the 'voice' for females in politics, etc. To say the trans issue is no more important than feminism? Ha! If it wasn't for strong feminists fighting for females this would never be talked about. Women will not roll over like good puppies and play dead, while men claim female spaces.

people start threads on disability, health and politics all over the place. Quite right too.

I think it's horrifying that other women are trying to shut these debates down. It's bloody shameful behaviour. By all means disagree, but attempting to shut them down is just spineless cowardice