A different view to "I am Spartacus"

[aleanasjourney]

Hello everyone,

I have had the time to read a lot of your comments about Transgender people not being biologically the gender they wish to be. It is a very sad day when parents are not able to share the hopes and dreams of other parents. It is a sad day when other parents cannot understand the pain and anguish of other parents when their child is in so much pain that they want to die.
Now I know what you are about to say, if they get help then they would not have a problem and they would be fixed. In the DSM 3,4, and 5 Gender Dysphoria is a real problem. It is not something made up to lead people to the Devil or anything else that crazy. By the way if you go to a Physiologist or a social worker they use the DSM as a guide book for issues of the mind. Though this year it is being discussed to remove the issues of Gender Dysphoria. Now if you try to discount the issues of Gender Dysphoria then the little happy pills some of you are taking must stop as well.
Let me try to give you a little light... I respect your views as it is your right to have them. But giving you the right to have your views then you must accept the right given to others to have the view that they are not what their body says they are.
When it comes to children who are feeling the way that they are, would you not do ANYTHING to keep your child alive? Hormone blockers do not cause boobs to grow. They do exactly what they say they are going to do. It puts off Puberty, it does not stop it. They are used to see if the child is going through a phase. Now to the issues of physical sex (penis and vagina) those of you saying that they are the only two genders need to understand that you have been proven incorrect by 99% of the medical community. There is a physical sex called Intersexed for those of you who don't know that is what used to be called a Hermaphrodite. Now this does not mean that they were born with born sets of equipment. What it means is simply that some of the traits of both sexes are included. Meaning that you could have a child born with a penis and a set of ovaries. Now saying it is a "normal" condition, in the past surgery was chosen for children born with this condition. The suicide rate was very high for this group cause a lot of the time the doctors got it wrong. So if you look at a seesaw penis on one side and vagina on the other intersexed sits in the middle. Their is a sliding scale in the three, this is being proven with the markers now are wider than the simple XX and XY. Though the majority are XX and XY. It is possible that some of the mental traits are linked in a different fashion than what was thought. If you accept that being Gay or Lesbian is not a mental illness then you have to look at the Transgender issue as not an illness as well but as a mental trait similar to being Gay or Lesbian.
Furthermore we must also look at what the Transcommunity are saying compared to what is being said by the media and the politicians. The Transcommunity does not say they are the other gender, they are saying that is how they feel they are. This is something that is hard to understand and digest. So let me try to help your thoughts. In the morning you wake up you don't see your body. You feel your environment around you. Go to the bathroom, eat breakfast, brush your teeth and then you are at the point where you have to get dressed you look at your clothes and you feel like wearing Red. Okay now lets look at a Transperson they wake up they feel their environment around them. Go to the bathroom, but don't look in the mirror, they eat breakfast, they brush their teeth, they try to avoid the mirror. They get dressed they go about their day hoping to make it one more day. Then it happens, it snaps they can't keep doing this. This is not life, this is existence nothing more. Something has to be done, not that they want it done. They would love to be the "Norm" but they can't it is more than a feeling of RED. It is something wrong deep in their soul. They do not feel connected to the skin they are in. So what do they do, some give up, some crawl into a hole, some end it all, some fight it until it kills them, some say I have to Transition. They worry about the cost of the choice but what is the other choices if they don't. They want to live just like the "Norm". So they feel closer to the XX or the XY. So they try to live like that to make it. Now to debunk some of the crazy ideas that the media and politicians pounding into your head that is incorrect.
*Men can Breast feed, the glands are there and all they have to do is be activated.
*Transpeople do not cause problems in the bathrooms. Here is why Hormone blockers for Transwomen shut off Testosterone . That is male hormone that cause the erections, sex drive and some thought patterns associated with some forms of perversions . IF that Hormone is not working then those are no longer issues. Because news flash without the hormone erections well 90% are gone. Sex Drive is changed to an emotional connection vs physical connection.
*When it comes to parenting most Transwomen become more in tune with their children.
*No they don't perverse their children in to any form of gender role in fact they hope that their children do not have the same issues.
*When it comes to pronouns what is wrong with a little respect? They are not punishing you for being the "Norm". Call you out for dressing like a slob, bogan, white trash, or any thing else. In fact Transpeople for the most part are more inclusive of your feelings cause what they go through.

You might wonder where my in site comes from. I live it.... My story would shock and scare some of you, if I was your child. I would welcome you to read it aleanasjourney.com/about/ . In fact if you questions ask me, don't assume cause I assure you the truth will help you understand me. I wish you the best day no matter who you are or who you want to be.
~Ally

Aleana, I actually did go and read your blog page before reading the rest of the thread. (And for others who haven't, yes English is Aleana's first language however Aleana's blog page says that dyslexia is an issue which probably accounts for some of this perception)

Aleana I came prepared to understand your point of view but have to admit I was really troubled by your response to the CB rape confession. And yes, it was CB who publically posted this information, not some rando internet stranger. Because I had read your link, I was totally gobsmacked when you said (in your post about your children with their details) in relation to how they were conceived (after people had called you out for your previous posts on 'it's just 2 drunken people - let the courts decide' etc)

' So my version never included booze or drugs and my results are some amazing kids. From a wonderful set of Parents who valued Education and life. Before you judge me, my results speak clearly.'

But on your personal 'about me' blog entry you write

'When I was 19 I got married for the first time. Wow was this a huge error in my part. We both were using drugs and drinking. I would never have married her but she told me she was pregnant and I fell for it hook line and sinker.'

That's your own words Aleana. From this discussion thread and your own blog. aleanasjourney.com/about/

how old was your first wife? (I clocked 3 wives all up?) at the time she became pregnant? Same age as you? You didn't have to carry the child but you came across as a bitter in that paragraph. And no matter how much you say you feel like a woman, it's clear that empathising with women is going to take a lot more time and effort on your behalf.

OP: MeMeMeMeMe, society should call rape committed by a TW the action of "two drunken idiots", puts forward fathering 7 children as evidence of 'womanhood', MeMeMeMe.

OP thanks for confirming why I and many others are Spartacus.

Al thanks for coming on here to post your pseudo-woo-science and misogynistic mansplaining. Getting a chance to hear this claptrap from the horse's mouth is very eye-opening.

I keep checking to see if she has come back

Cant wait for the rebuttal

Presumably they're in Utah or some such so different time zone?

Apologies to the OP as I hadn't realised they were dyslexic, but their posts are very garbled indeed.

Being, "cis" is a term generally used by trans people to designate not-trans people. So a woman who was born a woman and is happy with their gender is called a "cis-woman", to distinguish them from transwomen.

Many women have a problem with this, because saying that women are content with their "gender identity" implies that women are content to be seen as pink-loving empathic cake-bakers who can't do maths. Feminists see gender as not something located in your head, but a series of stereotypes that attribute masculine attributes as superior (strength, assertiveness, being good at science and other "serious" subjects etc) and feminine attributes as being inferior (crying easily, driving badly, hysterical etc). And that's where the two beliefs part ways, usually acrimoniously, and that's why (some) women object to being called cis, because we don't believe we have the ladybrain. Does that help?

Being, "cis" is a term generally used by trans people to designate not-trans people. So a woman who was born a woman and is happy with their gender is called a "cis-woman", to distinguish them from transwomen.

Many women have a problem with this, because saying that women are content with their "gender identity" implies that women are content to be seen as pink-loving empathic cake-bakers who can't do maths. Feminists see gender as not something located in your head, but a series of stereotypes that attribute masculine attributes as superior (strength, assertiveness, being good at science and other "serious" subjects etc) and feminine attributes as being inferior (crying easily, driving badly, hysterical etc). And that's where the two beliefs part ways, usually acrimoniously, and that's why (some) women object to being called cis, because we don't believe we have the ladybrain. Does that help?

Oh yes river

And i agree with the dyslexia comment as well

Thank you Fresh.

Surely a woman who was born a woman and is happy to be a woman is just called a... woman.

Also, re CIS, many feminists see gender not just as a set of pink/blue stereotypes, but a violent structural hierarchy with men on top and women at the bottom... male supremacy or hegemonic masculinity. To be called 'cis' implies that one is happy with one's place in the hierarchy. So, obviously men are quite likely to be ok with that, unless they've recognised their privilege and stand in solidarity with women. I, like many other women, are absolutely not ok with being told we're the inferior class, having our bodies controlled by clerics and male politicians who limit access to having bodily autonomy with terminations and contraception, not believed in rape cases by police officers/judges, having the glass ceiling in the way of career progression due to employers perceiving we'll be needing heaps of maternity leave/ childcare time off, being portrayed as wank fodder and living blow up dolls in the porn & prostitution industries. Noo! I reject all of that. Biology MATTERS when you're subjugated on the basis of your biology.

I'm still Spartacus.

Can I just re-post this fantastic post by HairyLittlePoet ?

The Spartacus thread is mostly full of people with XX chromosomes, ovaries, uteri, vaginas, brilliant ungendered brains and a lifetime of being treated as second class citizens. Women.

We - those women - are telling you that being a woman is about having those chromosomes, that menstruating body, those brilliant brains and enduring a lifetime being treated as less than men.

Women don't share a 'gender'
Women don't have the same personality
Women don't WEAR a certain type of clothing, or makeup
Women don't FEEL the same
Women don't THINK the same
Women don't BEHAVE the same
Women don't EXPRESS the same
Women don't SPEAK the same

There is literally no way of FEELING, THINKING, BEHAVING, EXPRESSING, SPEAKING or WEARING anything that makes anyone LIKE A WOMAN.

Women are not those things. We are human beings and we are all different.

Except for this, this one thing that puts us all in the same boat, whether we like or hate one another, whether we disagree on politics or religion, whether we live now or lived thousands of years ago, whether we are mothers or childless, whether we are kind or hateful, peaceful or violent, black or white, rich or poor, this thing which exists whether we are alive or dead, this thing which is common to all women, and distinct from ALL MEN?

Chromosomes, ovaries, uteri, vaginas, ungendered brains, and, almost without exception, a lifetime of being treated as less than men.

That's what women have in common.

And here you are OP - born male, raised with masculine expectations from birth, father of children. Here you are telling us that we - the women - are wrong about ourselves.

No. YOU are wrong.

Hi OP! How's this working out for you?

I suspect the OP is more confused than when they started. I suspect other MNers are even clearer on the reasons behind the Spartacus thread. So all in all, a good day's work

venivid Thank you for posting that ! Hairypoet excellent post, so well written, thank you!

Seconded etta

Bloody brilliant, Hairy. I feel that needs an 'Amen'!

For the purposes of this thread I'll give it an 'Awomen'!

OP isn't going to come back are They?

I may have seen a screenshot of that post floating around twitter this evening... It seems to resonate with lots of us!

Yes, stonking post Hairy. Thank you for summing it up so well.

I'll give you an Awomen too.

I'm not sure I have the energy to respond to even have of the muddled thinking in the OPs posts. I'm afraid that "Gender is what is between your legs" and chat about god and spirits sent me over the edge totally.

My view:
-I don't believe in God of any variety. I don't believe in souls, or spirits. You do not exist independently of your body so you can't be born in the wrong body. There's no matching (or mismatching) or bodies to brains.

-your sex = biological reality dictated by your chromosomes (XX vs XY) which is visible externally at birth in the form of your genitals, and also expresses internally in hormonal differences e.g. testosterone which causes further physical differences as humans grow and then go through puberty.

• Humans are sexually dimorphic, male and female. There are a small number of individuals where there is a defect (no rudeness intended) in the expression of their sex compared to their chromosomes. That these individuals exist does not mean that humans as a species are not dimorphic, any more than people being born blind or deaf means that as a species humans cannot hear or see.

-Gender is a social construct describing the state of being male or female in terms of behavioural/social/cultural differences. Whilst I believe that gender has its roots in some of the biological differences between the sexes (i.e. women being physically weaker and more nurturing towards young vs men being stronger and more aggressive) there is a huge difference between recognising that the roots of gender stereotyping are probably biological, and agreeing with gender.

-Most aspects of gender are not biological but just cultural - there is no biological reason for women to wear dresses - and even where they are biologically based (e.g. physical size/strength) there is a spectrum and so you cannot say that because a person behaves a particular way they are a particular sex. So, a male who likes to wear dresses is not a woman. A male who is physically weak, is very nurturing towards young, likes make up, and wears dresses, is not a woman.

-The traditional gender binary oppresses women (and some men, especially those who are considered more effeminate) and tries to restrict our behaviour by pushing us to conform with both biologically and non biologically rooted stereotypes. This is dangerous, and I reject this gender binary.

-sexuality is who you are attracted to and has naff all to do with sex or gender except that we use certain words to define sexuality relative to sex e.g. lesbian = woman attracted to woman.

-I'm sure gender dysmorphia does exist although I believe that many, many people who identify as transgender have gender dysmorphia. For some of these gender dysmorphic individuals surgery can provide a relief in the same way that amputation of a healthy limb can provide relief for individuals with that form of body dysmorphia. That doesn't mean it's the right thing to do necessarily, and I think we should consider why we take such a different approach to treating gender vs other forms of dysmorphia.

-Calling me, or anyone else, cis, means that you assume they accept the gender binary and that they identify with the gender stereotypes aligned to their sex. Even though I am in many ways a very feminine woman, a "girly girl" if you like who would be considered to conform, I also fail to conform to these stereotypes in many ways e.g. being the main breadwinner in my home in a male dominated profession whilst my husband is the main carer. As such, I reject the gender binary and so to call me cis misgenders me.

To be called 'cis' implies that one is happy with one's place in the hierarchy

Calling me, or anyone else, cis, means that you assume they accept the gender binary and that they identify with the gender stereotypes aligned to their sex

I had been really struggling to articulate why I found the "cis" thing so very problematic. It "felt" utterly wrong and alien to me, but I could not have expressed why. So thank you for laying it out so clearly both of you, what you say is a real lightbulb moment for me.

So the OP who confuses gender with sex and thinks Intersex is another sex along with Male and Female turns out to be a transactivist from the US.

There's a surprise.

Do stick around, Alaena. We love a preachy OP with dubious grip on facts here.

..erm.. just want to point out yet again, that male transgenderists of the Agp ilk, do not routinely use their penises to violate women... very often these men are suffering from paraphilias such as voyeurism and exhibitionism - they operate by co opting unwitting women into their public fantasies and by gaslighting their partners sexually - they get off on vicarious thrills and transgressing sexual boundaries and most of the action is done alone, entirely in secret and often involves the soiling of womens underwear...plenty of transwidows will confirm what i am saying. we know all their dirty secrets. the clue is in the 'auto' part of the word autogynephilia.
I repeat - Men do not need a penis to violate the sexual boundaries of women and children. Post-op Autogynephiles are by no means safe to be around women and children.
Why any sane parent would encourage their child to join this particular club of sexually disgruntled misfits is beyond me.
I will never apologise for telling the truth. This is my life too. I identify as a trans widow and i will not sit down and i will not shut up.