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A different view to "I am Spartacus"

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aleanasjourney · 01/09/2016 02:01

Hello everyone,

I have had the time to read a lot of your comments about Transgender people not being biologically the gender they wish to be. It is a very sad day when parents are not able to share the hopes and dreams of other parents. It is a sad day when other parents cannot understand the pain and anguish of other parents when their child is in so much pain that they want to die.
Now I know what you are about to say, if they get help then they would not have a problem and they would be fixed. In the DSM 3,4, and 5 Gender Dysphoria is a real problem. It is not something made up to lead people to the Devil or anything else that crazy. By the way if you go to a Physiologist or a social worker they use the DSM as a guide book for issues of the mind. Though this year it is being discussed to remove the issues of Gender Dysphoria. Now if you try to discount the issues of Gender Dysphoria then the little happy pills some of you are taking must stop as well.
Let me try to give you a little light... I respect your views as it is your right to have them. But giving you the right to have your views then you must accept the right given to others to have the view that they are not what their body says they are.
When it comes to children who are feeling the way that they are, would you not do ANYTHING to keep your child alive? Hormone blockers do not cause boobs to grow. They do exactly what they say they are going to do. It puts off Puberty, it does not stop it. They are used to see if the child is going through a phase. Now to the issues of physical sex (penis and vagina) those of you saying that they are the only two genders need to understand that you have been proven incorrect by 99% of the medical community. There is a physical sex called Intersexed for those of you who don't know that is what used to be called a Hermaphrodite. Now this does not mean that they were born with born sets of equipment. What it means is simply that some of the traits of both sexes are included. Meaning that you could have a child born with a penis and a set of ovaries. Now saying it is a "normal" condition, in the past surgery was chosen for children born with this condition. The suicide rate was very high for this group cause a lot of the time the doctors got it wrong. So if you look at a seesaw penis on one side and vagina on the other intersexed sits in the middle. Their is a sliding scale in the three, this is being proven with the markers now are wider than the simple XX and XY. Though the majority are XX and XY. It is possible that some of the mental traits are linked in a different fashion than what was thought. If you accept that being Gay or Lesbian is not a mental illness then you have to look at the Transgender issue as not an illness as well but as a mental trait similar to being Gay or Lesbian.
Furthermore we must also look at what the Transcommunity are saying compared to what is being said by the media and the politicians. The Transcommunity does not say they are the other gender, they are saying that is how they feel they are. This is something that is hard to understand and digest. So let me try to help your thoughts. In the morning you wake up you don't see your body. You feel your environment around you. Go to the bathroom, eat breakfast, brush your teeth and then you are at the point where you have to get dressed you look at your clothes and you feel like wearing Red. Okay now lets look at a Transperson they wake up they feel their environment around them. Go to the bathroom, but don't look in the mirror, they eat breakfast, they brush their teeth, they try to avoid the mirror. They get dressed they go about their day hoping to make it one more day. Then it happens, it snaps they can't keep doing this. This is not life, this is existence nothing more. Something has to be done, not that they want it done. They would love to be the "Norm" but they can't it is more than a feeling of RED. It is something wrong deep in their soul. They do not feel connected to the skin they are in. So what do they do, some give up, some crawl into a hole, some end it all, some fight it until it kills them, some say I have to Transition. They worry about the cost of the choice but what is the other choices if they don't. They want to live just like the "Norm". So they feel closer to the XX or the XY. So they try to live like that to make it. Now to debunk some of the crazy ideas that the media and politicians pounding into your head that is incorrect.
*Men can Breast feed, the glands are there and all they have to do is be activated.
*Transpeople do not cause problems in the bathrooms. Here is why Hormone blockers for Transwomen shut off Testosterone . That is male hormone that cause the erections, sex drive and some thought patterns associated with some forms of perversions . IF that Hormone is not working then those are no longer issues. Because news flash without the hormone erections well 90% are gone. Sex Drive is changed to an emotional connection vs physical connection.
*When it comes to parenting most Transwomen become more in tune with their children.
*No they don't perverse their children in to any form of gender role in fact they hope that their children do not have the same issues.
*When it comes to pronouns what is wrong with a little respect? They are not punishing you for being the "Norm". Call you out for dressing like a slob, bogan, white trash, or any thing else. In fact Transpeople for the most part are more inclusive of your feelings cause what they go through.

You might wonder where my in site comes from. I live it.... My story would shock and scare some of you, if I was your child. I would welcome you to read it aleanasjourney.com/about/ . In fact if you questions ask me, don't assume cause I assure you the truth will help you understand me. I wish you the best day no matter who you are or who you want to be.
~Ally

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ageingrunner · 01/09/2016 23:51

That thing about Bruce Jenner stealing his step daughter's clothes and underwear is so disturbing. He's still an award winning women though, apparently Confused

WankingMonkey · 02/09/2016 00:07

Wow, only just noticed this thread

It is a sad day when other parents cannot understand the pain and anguish of other parents when their child is in so much pain that they want to die.

Nice attempt yet again to shut everyone down. Yes being transexxual must be a horrific experience for people mentally. I cannot even begin to understand what must go through peoples minds to want to mutilate their perfectly healthy bodies in the way they do. However, I also cannot understand when people get ridiculous boobjobs up to size QQQ or something to complete the 2 big plastic beachballs look. Come on...surely you can see that KIDS do not need to be analized in a way that could convince them they need to spend their lives on fucking hormones and have surgeries that they don't need, all because they like playing with toys associated with the opposite sex, or like to wear dresses if a little boy and such. Its all sterotypical nonsense and I am glad people are finally speaking up.

I accept transsexual people do exist. I am less convinced that its actually 'born in the wrong body' mind but thats an issue for another thread. I support any adult who feels that plastic surgery will make them happy, although it rarely does.... But as it stands at the moment, we are meant to accept that anyone who has a 'pink brain' is automatically a woman? Fuck that.

WankingMonkey · 02/09/2016 00:09

Now if you try to discount the issues of Gender Dysphoria then the little happy pills some of you are taking must stop as well.

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And this is just ignorant twaddle. Why would stopping chopping off healthy limbs and such on the say so of someone who feels those parts do not belong to them have any affect on anti-depressants...oddly enough something that could very well help the people who think they need these surgeries and such to feel validated...

Nibledbyducks · 02/09/2016 01:03

Aleanas I'm hoping that you come back to this thread.

I've read your blog post in full and have some questions.

How much do you feel that your upbringing contributed to your feelings of dysphria, or do you believe that you are transgendered and not disporic and this was the route of your family's treatment of you?

How do you feel gender disphoria difers from other forms of body dysmorphia?

EttaJ · 02/09/2016 01:29

Yes OP do come back , bore us some more and explain your lies. Second thoughts, don't.

venusinscorpio · 02/09/2016 01:40

Sonia, thank you. Your lived experience and perspective is something which should be heard.

thebewilderness · 02/09/2016 01:42

What I find the most frustrating in these attempts at discussion are the Humpty Dumpty language rules the OP is using.
“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”
“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”

WankingMonkey · 02/09/2016 01:45

Interesting. In my experience a disproportionate number of Trans people have been brought up with heavy handed religion. I'd love to know if there is a correlation that could be proven

I believe there is a deep rooted homophobia in a hell of a lot of transpeople..possibly caused by a religious lifestyle (it is quite well known that most religions class being gay as a sin)

I do wonder sometimes if being trans is their 'cure' for being gay..mainly in the cases of FtM. Its more acceptable to 'become' the opposite sex and effectively be straight, than it is to be gay. A couple of gay blokes I know agree with this view and state this as the reason a LOT of LGB people wish to ditch the T. Transexualism is nothing at all like gay/lesbian/bi to begin with so I don't really know why they were lumped together anyway.

venusinscorpio · 02/09/2016 01:49

"Alice laughed: "There's no use trying," she said; "one can't believe impossible things."
"I daresay you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was younger, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."

pontificationcentral · 02/09/2016 01:57

aleanasjourney.com/
I don't think Ally is coming back. And we're mean and ignorant. Or something.

WankingMonkey · 02/09/2016 02:03

Why the bloody hell couldn't she type like that on here? Might have made more sense than the garbled junk she was coming out with. I also see she does know what a paragraph is. Well well well, I am shocked.

pontificationcentral · 02/09/2016 02:28

Oz apparently (well, Tasmania) not the US. What a shame she couldn't be legible and engage. She appears to be boxing shadows though - if she had actually bothered to read the background to the Spartacus threads, she might actually have understood. Instead she just jumped to the conclusion that we are all ignorant trans-hating biatches. Silly girl.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 02/09/2016 02:29

GUFFAW @ "facts" to be found on Google Scholar Grin

pontificationcentral · 02/09/2016 02:30

I suppose in isolation from the other side of the world it may well look like that, unless you exercise your comprehension skills, and do some research - instead of wildly casting cultural aspersions on a national basis. Numpty.

venusinscorpio · 02/09/2016 03:07

What a load of incoherent shit. I think posters are well aware that "I am Spartacus" means "together we are one". That's the whole point. Aleana's circular reasoning about which causes it's acceptable to be inclusive and positive about notwithstanding.

DropYourSword · 02/09/2016 03:26

Just read that link pont.

What an idiot they really are. The Spartacus thread went completely over their head. And they are just fabricating shit!

Also find it hilarious they hold up Australia as one of the most forward thinking Western civilisations. Newsflash Aleanas - gay marriage is not legal in Australia. Which is fucking shameful.

thedogstinks · 02/09/2016 03:35

Awwww. Male comes to woman's group telling it how it is. Woman disagree. Male belittles and calls women names, like 'asshole' and implies we're stupid.

Nothing new, right?

HermioneWeasley · 02/09/2016 06:00

OP, you might think,you're being very clever but your hatred of real women seeps through your words and shines so brightly.

We see you.

Amalfimamma · 02/09/2016 06:23

So they haven't come back to demean us some More?

Well that's an anticlimax if ever there were one

MorrisZapp · 02/09/2016 06:44

That blog truly is comedy gold.

FreshwaterSelkie · 02/09/2016 07:28

Good catch, halofell!

I'd love to hear the three ex-wives side of the story. Wouldn't that be interesting?

FreshwaterSelkie · 02/09/2016 07:40

Aleana, if you're still with us...

Going by this thread, and the "I am Still Spartacus" thread, there are now four or five more women who while previously sympathetic to a "born in the wrong body, gender spectrum" narrative, have now read your thread and decided that they disagree with you and actually are persuaded by the gender critical view.

Your thread has achieved the opposite of what you intended. Why do you think that is, and does it make you reflect on your approach? Is there anything you think you could do differently to engage people?

StatisticallyChallenged · 02/09/2016 08:02

Oh dear. Talk about just not getting it at all - the explanation of Spartacus is classic mansplaining as well. Spartacus was entirely appropriate for what we were saying.

The comments about moral guidelines in entire countries were just bizarre too. Entire countries and populations don't have shared morals, they're a deeply personal thing.

For the record, I am not transphobic. I do not discriminate against trans people. I believe every individual should be free to wear what the want, have the career they want, live how they want and love who they want so long as in doing so they do not cause harm to others.

There are certain spaces, laws and provisions in place (varying by country) to protect the rights and safety of women and a 'transwoman' insisting they are a woman and therefore have an entitlement to those woman specific laws, spaces and provisions causes harm to women. That is what I object to.

GinAndTunic · 02/09/2016 08:13

I am baffled as to why anyone is taking either the OP or this thread seriously. I have encountered this kind of thing before on another message board: the intention of the thread is to wind people up and then to engage in nonsensical conversations.

It's performance art and done very badly.

My advice is to follow the old adage of not getting in the mud with a pig. You'll only get dirty and the pig will enjoy it.

TearingDownTheWall · 02/09/2016 08:16

"I so wanted to be just like my dad, but I just could not deal with the fact that when I looked at myself I hated everything about who I was. I tried everything I could to just shut this out"

" I have been married a few times trying to prove that I could do it, I could be this “Man”like my father. Then when the marriage failed I would look at myself and say I can’t even do that right"

These are from Aleanas blog which is filled with red flags about her childhood and feelings that surely should have been addressed before having hormones, deciding she is a woman and starting down the road towards transitioning. It's sad and frightening.