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A different view to "I am Spartacus"

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aleanasjourney · 01/09/2016 02:01

Hello everyone,

I have had the time to read a lot of your comments about Transgender people not being biologically the gender they wish to be. It is a very sad day when parents are not able to share the hopes and dreams of other parents. It is a sad day when other parents cannot understand the pain and anguish of other parents when their child is in so much pain that they want to die.
Now I know what you are about to say, if they get help then they would not have a problem and they would be fixed. In the DSM 3,4, and 5 Gender Dysphoria is a real problem. It is not something made up to lead people to the Devil or anything else that crazy. By the way if you go to a Physiologist or a social worker they use the DSM as a guide book for issues of the mind. Though this year it is being discussed to remove the issues of Gender Dysphoria. Now if you try to discount the issues of Gender Dysphoria then the little happy pills some of you are taking must stop as well.
Let me try to give you a little light... I respect your views as it is your right to have them. But giving you the right to have your views then you must accept the right given to others to have the view that they are not what their body says they are.
When it comes to children who are feeling the way that they are, would you not do ANYTHING to keep your child alive? Hormone blockers do not cause boobs to grow. They do exactly what they say they are going to do. It puts off Puberty, it does not stop it. They are used to see if the child is going through a phase. Now to the issues of physical sex (penis and vagina) those of you saying that they are the only two genders need to understand that you have been proven incorrect by 99% of the medical community. There is a physical sex called Intersexed for those of you who don't know that is what used to be called a Hermaphrodite. Now this does not mean that they were born with born sets of equipment. What it means is simply that some of the traits of both sexes are included. Meaning that you could have a child born with a penis and a set of ovaries. Now saying it is a "normal" condition, in the past surgery was chosen for children born with this condition. The suicide rate was very high for this group cause a lot of the time the doctors got it wrong. So if you look at a seesaw penis on one side and vagina on the other intersexed sits in the middle. Their is a sliding scale in the three, this is being proven with the markers now are wider than the simple XX and XY. Though the majority are XX and XY. It is possible that some of the mental traits are linked in a different fashion than what was thought. If you accept that being Gay or Lesbian is not a mental illness then you have to look at the Transgender issue as not an illness as well but as a mental trait similar to being Gay or Lesbian.
Furthermore we must also look at what the Transcommunity are saying compared to what is being said by the media and the politicians. The Transcommunity does not say they are the other gender, they are saying that is how they feel they are. This is something that is hard to understand and digest. So let me try to help your thoughts. In the morning you wake up you don't see your body. You feel your environment around you. Go to the bathroom, eat breakfast, brush your teeth and then you are at the point where you have to get dressed you look at your clothes and you feel like wearing Red. Okay now lets look at a Transperson they wake up they feel their environment around them. Go to the bathroom, but don't look in the mirror, they eat breakfast, they brush their teeth, they try to avoid the mirror. They get dressed they go about their day hoping to make it one more day. Then it happens, it snaps they can't keep doing this. This is not life, this is existence nothing more. Something has to be done, not that they want it done. They would love to be the "Norm" but they can't it is more than a feeling of RED. It is something wrong deep in their soul. They do not feel connected to the skin they are in. So what do they do, some give up, some crawl into a hole, some end it all, some fight it until it kills them, some say I have to Transition. They worry about the cost of the choice but what is the other choices if they don't. They want to live just like the "Norm". So they feel closer to the XX or the XY. So they try to live like that to make it. Now to debunk some of the crazy ideas that the media and politicians pounding into your head that is incorrect.
*Men can Breast feed, the glands are there and all they have to do is be activated.
*Transpeople do not cause problems in the bathrooms. Here is why Hormone blockers for Transwomen shut off Testosterone . That is male hormone that cause the erections, sex drive and some thought patterns associated with some forms of perversions . IF that Hormone is not working then those are no longer issues. Because news flash without the hormone erections well 90% are gone. Sex Drive is changed to an emotional connection vs physical connection.
*When it comes to parenting most Transwomen become more in tune with their children.
*No they don't perverse their children in to any form of gender role in fact they hope that their children do not have the same issues.
*When it comes to pronouns what is wrong with a little respect? They are not punishing you for being the "Norm". Call you out for dressing like a slob, bogan, white trash, or any thing else. In fact Transpeople for the most part are more inclusive of your feelings cause what they go through.

You might wonder where my in site comes from. I live it.... My story would shock and scare some of you, if I was your child. I would welcome you to read it aleanasjourney.com/about/ . In fact if you questions ask me, don't assume cause I assure you the truth will help you understand me. I wish you the best day no matter who you are or who you want to be.
~Ally

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SodTheSpecialSnowflakes · 01/09/2016 13:41

Beyond it does look as if the bullshit questionnaire is a very old site. I noticed system requirements are windows 95/98 Hmm and visually it certainly appears to be turn of the century. I haven't looked at the quiz yet.

PortiaCastis · 01/09/2016 13:43

Thank you EttaJ
I refuse to do a test when others have pointed out it is rubbish
Certainly will not click on a dubious link.
I'm a survivor of male violence and suffered a broken arm and facial injuries inflicted by my ex husband. I managed to escape his shite and do not want to read more !

AskBasil · 01/09/2016 13:44

Sorry I can't read your OP as in a hurry, no paras and too long but I just thought it's worth posting that suicide in transpeople who have undergone an op, is the same likelihood as suicide in those who do not have the op.

So the op is not a panacea.

Also this:

"Easy way to look at is:
Sexuality is who you go to bed with
Gender is what you have between your legs."

No. Gender is a system of hierarchy, in which men are at the top and women are at the bottom. In order to maintain the hierarchy, different feelings and characteristics are attributed to men and women - those attributed to men (strong, courageous, rational, powerful etc.) are generally high status and respected, those attributed to women (nurturing, weak, manipulative, dishonest etc.) are low status and not particularly respected.

Your sex organs are what's between your legs and your gender is what you have been socialised into, which generally is dependent on what you have between your legs. Those who aren't well socialised and uncomfortable with that socialisation, are perfectly sensible because they want to be full human beings, not half human beings. The solution isn't to pretend that they belong to the other sex, the solution is to abolish gender and abandon the pretence that human emotions and character are distributed according to what you've got between your legs.

FrancisCrawford · 01/09/2016 13:45

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Inertia · 01/09/2016 13:49

OP, I'm sure you came with the best of intentions. However, I think this thread can be summed up as:

OP: Here's where you're going wrong . MeMeMeMeMeMeMeMe , spurious non-science, sex/gender confusion, feel like a woman, MeMeMeMe.

Women: Female is sex not gender, being a woman is biology not a feeling, actual facts, actual evidence, we will support transpeople in their fight for additional rights/services but not at the expense of women.

OP: MeMeMeMeMe, society should call rape committed by a TW the action of "two drunken idiots", puts forward fathering 7 children as evidence of 'womanhood', MeMeMeMe.

I've never seen an argument from a TW which indicates how the proposed UK law changes will impact upon half the population. The arguments I've seen have all been very self-centred and often centre on the validation of the individual.

As a group of women, we're arguing from the perspective of supporting all women and girls, and trying to ensure that Trans people gain the facilities and rights they need, but not at the expense of women and girls.

BeyondASpecialSnowflake · 01/09/2016 13:49

To clarify, the (three) questions were various situations where I "should" hug someone, and how do I feel about it.

Yy to slight issues with external validity...

RiverTam · 01/09/2016 13:51

Thanks for that Dudge, I hadn't clicked on the OP's link. Well, this is all very garbled for a 47 yo native English speaker. Very.

Lots of impressively articulate other people on the thread though!

SodTheSpecialSnowflakes · 01/09/2016 13:52

Beyond I've just realised reading your test results that you 'officially' have boy brain! Aren't you pleased about that? Grin

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 01/09/2016 13:52

I do not like hugging people (except for my children and the little buggers dont let me near hugging distance Angry)

BeyondASpecialSnowflake · 01/09/2016 13:54

DH's results...

S.A.G.E. Test Results
Your Raw Score is: -455, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous

Your appearance is Quite Masculine

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.

You appear to socialize in a feminine manner.

You believe you have normal doubts about your gender identity.

You indicated your were born Male.

ANALYSIS:
Male to Female Crossdresser
NOTES:

You are in a statistical minority as a anallophilic crossdresser. Most crossdressers are heterosexual. Your motivation for crossdressing may be driven by the undirected nature of your sexuality, as a way to more fully explore the Female gender role.

DropYourSword · 01/09/2016 13:58

That SAGE test is a load of old bollocks. Apparently I am 'very masculine' and should consider female to male transsexual.

MyPeriodFeatures · 01/09/2016 13:59

Interesting. In my experience a disproportionate number of Trans people have been brought up with heavy handed religion. I'd love to know if there is a correlation that could be proven

BeyondASpecialSnowflake · 01/09/2016 14:00

DH can't work out where 'anallophilic' came from Grin nor the cross dresser bit tbh but

Perhaps we should start a club, drop ?

ChiefClerkDrumknott · 01/09/2016 14:06

May I join the club? My results:

Your Raw Score is: -315, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous
Your appearance is Androgynous
Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.
You appear to socialize in a masculine manner.
You believe you have mild conflicts about your gender identity.
You indicated your were born Female.
ANALYSIS:
Female to Male possible Transsexual

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 01/09/2016 14:10

Dammit

I am going to have to finish now Grin

BeyondASpecialSnowflake · 01/09/2016 14:12

Here's the thread just about the test. Don't want to hijack OPs thread when so much thought went into it .... :)

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a2721832--Yes-its-a-trans-thread-Dont-click-if-youre-gonna-whinge-The-SAGE-test?msgid=63319319#63319319

BeyondASpecialSnowflake · 01/09/2016 14:13

Rufus Grin

I have managed to lose my analysis, but yes ftt was the jist of it

butterfliesandzebras · 01/09/2016 14:42

I am not a psychologist or psychiatrist.

Thank fuck for that. For a moment the op had me on with their claims it was a test used by professionals.

thecraftyfox · 01/09/2016 14:43

I find it interesting that OP grew up in a Mormon family. A religion with strict gender roles and anti gay sentiment. That he was punished as a child for not conforming to his father's idea of masculinity but that no connection seems to be made with the desire/need for transition. It becomes evidence of "having always been a girl", not my family had rigid stereotypes which harmed me.

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 01/09/2016 15:21

Your Raw Score is: -545, which indicates that overall you are Masculine

Your appearance is Androgynous

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Male person.

You appear to socialize in a masculine manner.

You believe you have normal doubts about your gender identity.

You indicated your were born Female.

ANALYSIS:
Female to Male Transsexual in doubt about your ability to successfully transition.
NOTES:

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 01/09/2016 15:22

No surprise for most of that

Amalfimamma · 01/09/2016 15:47

I've just read all 8 pages, including OPs original, long-winded, poorly strutted, hard to comprehend post.

If there was any doubt in my mind beforehand it's all cleared up now and I can proudly say.

I AM SPARTICUS

There are have been many well written, concise and truthful comments which answered the questions put forward. None of them have been written by the OP. To be honest, I think the OP signed up to MN just to browbeat and silence a group of "cis on happy pills who have lady brain and will fall into line if I use my male arrogance, ignorance and refusal to elaborate and throw in some big words to confuse them".

I do believe that activists like the OP are doing the whole trans movement more damage than good.

pontificationcentral · 01/09/2016 15:54

Oh aleana. All your incoherent rambling about gender between your legs and fathering seven children, and rape dismissal has forced me to go sign the Spartacus thread. Sorry honey, I haven't involved myself in the debate thus far as I know many people suffering from gender dysphoria (several transitioning and transitioned people) including a friend of my ds. I'm happy to use whatever pronoun you wish, but if you want to be actually taken seriously when talking to women, you need to do some research and understand the background to the I am Spartacus thread. You seem to be having some trouble with that, and underestimating our intelligence.

Don't pop on here with your gender is what's between your legs nonsense and attempt to mansplain. It's patronizing, it's rude, and it is counter-productive to your cause.

Incidentally, whilst the SAGE test is utter bollocks, it's not that far from the ridiculous counselling and RLT that is the basis of formal transitioning. If that ain't fucked up, I don't know what is. Sadly, the formal route to recognition is one stereotypical gender rule list. I've known mtf who have given up much loved hobbies so that they won't interfere with their right to be called a woman. When I called them out on it, they pointed out they believed they didn't have a choice. Real women don't race motorcycles etc.

The whole legal transitioning side is about as gender regressive as you can get and worships the fecking gender binary like a gold plated God. Like that stupid sage test. That said, I can't decide if the existence of gender stereotyping is better or worse than the current theme where gender has been further reduced to a mere feeling and the external trappings of gender (those boring stereotyped things like beards and nail polish, and nice thigh length boots) are being done away with.

I'm about as masculine as you can get (having given birth to three children) and have spent 45 years wanting to smash gender stereotypes, but the gender stereotypes at least meant that potential mtf had to put some bloody effort in, not just wake up one morning and proclaim they are woman. Hmmm.

BillSykesDog · 01/09/2016 15:59

Well that went well.

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 01/09/2016 16:01

Feeling utterly ignorant here. What is cis? This isn't a term I have heard before. Please don't shout at me for not knowing.

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