A different view to "I am Spartacus"

[aleanasjourney]

Hello everyone,

I have had the time to read a lot of your comments about Transgender people not being biologically the gender they wish to be. It is a very sad day when parents are not able to share the hopes and dreams of other parents. It is a sad day when other parents cannot understand the pain and anguish of other parents when their child is in so much pain that they want to die.
Now I know what you are about to say, if they get help then they would not have a problem and they would be fixed. In the DSM 3,4, and 5 Gender Dysphoria is a real problem. It is not something made up to lead people to the Devil or anything else that crazy. By the way if you go to a Physiologist or a social worker they use the DSM as a guide book for issues of the mind. Though this year it is being discussed to remove the issues of Gender Dysphoria. Now if you try to discount the issues of Gender Dysphoria then the little happy pills some of you are taking must stop as well.
Let me try to give you a little light... I respect your views as it is your right to have them. But giving you the right to have your views then you must accept the right given to others to have the view that they are not what their body says they are.
When it comes to children who are feeling the way that they are, would you not do ANYTHING to keep your child alive? Hormone blockers do not cause boobs to grow. They do exactly what they say they are going to do. It puts off Puberty, it does not stop it. They are used to see if the child is going through a phase. Now to the issues of physical sex (penis and vagina) those of you saying that they are the only two genders need to understand that you have been proven incorrect by 99% of the medical community. There is a physical sex called Intersexed for those of you who don't know that is what used to be called a Hermaphrodite. Now this does not mean that they were born with born sets of equipment. What it means is simply that some of the traits of both sexes are included. Meaning that you could have a child born with a penis and a set of ovaries. Now saying it is a "normal" condition, in the past surgery was chosen for children born with this condition. The suicide rate was very high for this group cause a lot of the time the doctors got it wrong. So if you look at a seesaw penis on one side and vagina on the other intersexed sits in the middle. Their is a sliding scale in the three, this is being proven with the markers now are wider than the simple XX and XY. Though the majority are XX and XY. It is possible that some of the mental traits are linked in a different fashion than what was thought. If you accept that being Gay or Lesbian is not a mental illness then you have to look at the Transgender issue as not an illness as well but as a mental trait similar to being Gay or Lesbian.
Furthermore we must also look at what the Transcommunity are saying compared to what is being said by the media and the politicians. The Transcommunity does not say they are the other gender, they are saying that is how they feel they are. This is something that is hard to understand and digest. So let me try to help your thoughts. In the morning you wake up you don't see your body. You feel your environment around you. Go to the bathroom, eat breakfast, brush your teeth and then you are at the point where you have to get dressed you look at your clothes and you feel like wearing Red. Okay now lets look at a Transperson they wake up they feel their environment around them. Go to the bathroom, but don't look in the mirror, they eat breakfast, they brush their teeth, they try to avoid the mirror. They get dressed they go about their day hoping to make it one more day. Then it happens, it snaps they can't keep doing this. This is not life, this is existence nothing more. Something has to be done, not that they want it done. They would love to be the "Norm" but they can't it is more than a feeling of RED. It is something wrong deep in their soul. They do not feel connected to the skin they are in. So what do they do, some give up, some crawl into a hole, some end it all, some fight it until it kills them, some say I have to Transition. They worry about the cost of the choice but what is the other choices if they don't. They want to live just like the "Norm". So they feel closer to the XX or the XY. So they try to live like that to make it. Now to debunk some of the crazy ideas that the media and politicians pounding into your head that is incorrect.
*Men can Breast feed, the glands are there and all they have to do is be activated.
*Transpeople do not cause problems in the bathrooms. Here is why Hormone blockers for Transwomen shut off Testosterone . That is male hormone that cause the erections, sex drive and some thought patterns associated with some forms of perversions . IF that Hormone is not working then those are no longer issues. Because news flash without the hormone erections well 90% are gone. Sex Drive is changed to an emotional connection vs physical connection.
*When it comes to parenting most Transwomen become more in tune with their children.
*No they don't perverse their children in to any form of gender role in fact they hope that their children do not have the same issues.
*When it comes to pronouns what is wrong with a little respect? They are not punishing you for being the "Norm". Call you out for dressing like a slob, bogan, white trash, or any thing else. In fact Transpeople for the most part are more inclusive of your feelings cause what they go through.

You might wonder where my in site comes from. I live it.... My story would shock and scare some of you, if I was your child. I would welcome you to read it aleanasjourney.com/about/ . In fact if you questions ask me, don't assume cause I assure you the truth will help you understand me. I wish you the best day no matter who you are or who you want to be.
~Ally

So you have fathered 7 lovely children. You are therefore a man. Do advocate the 'transgendering' of young males which denies them the chance of fatherhood in the future?

Seven kids.

How horrifying for them. The collusion and acceptance you've asked if them is beyond the pale. How they must have grieved for the father you were. It must be like a death.

I think it's narcissistic and abusive to put partners and children through this

*Krop
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Why would you??

I took your post as a kind don't get angry not patronising there there dear

YY DrudgeJedd.

I haven't got time to read all this because I'm busy being a working Mother who is suffering dreadful period pain.
A male who has fathered 7 children will not know how this feels. My pelvic floor is knackered and my cs scar will never disappear. I'm a biological female who menstruates.
I have no wish to be raped or get drunk, I just get on with my life and that's it.
I refuse to be called cis.
I do not have a book to sell or an agenda to impose on others.
I am a woman my biology and menstrual cramps prove that.

As all will have noticed Aleana does not answer questions about women's spaces. She doesn't answer the thread and women's fears raised in Spartacus she simply wants to tell us all about her boring as fuck narcissistic *life.

I may start one about mine

Main topics
Sexual harassment
Periods
Pregnancy
Maternal health
Termination
Cat calling
Sexualisation
Coercion
Being ignored
Generally everyday woman shite

This is within the middle class, white, objectively okay looking, educated woman. Let's not forget about the myriad of extra shite that being a woman can bring
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Aleana I did take the time to read your journal and whilst I am genuinely sorry that you are unhappy with your life prior to transitioning, I am left with one point and one point only.

Failing as a man (whatever that phrase means) does not mean that you default to being a woman. If a toxic culture of masculinity has wounded you then we need to address that culture.

Well this isn't a total car crash, is it....

Do I need to start sharing quotes from Grays Anatomy again? As "99% of the medical community agree we aren't sexually dimorphic"

Typical god-fearing, chest-beating...

Having now read all of your posts on this thread Aleanas I think you have seriously misunderstood the I Am Spartacus thread. You have also made some very troubling comments that I'm sure posters much more eloquent than me will have already addressed.

You are assuming that your idea of what being a Transwoman is, is shared by all others. It's not. You dismissed the idea that Transwomen have male privilege, and yourself dismissed a rape as a drunken event, and what can women expect when they demand equality and assume that all transwoman are fighting for women's rights rather than acting in direct opposition to these.

There are plenty of lovely, wonderful transwomen. Of the almost 1k posts on the Spartacus thread, the absolute overwhelming majority of posters stated they have no issue with transwomen dressing how they want, acting how they wish, wearing make up, calling themself female names etc etc etc, where there is no harm being exacted against women. Again the vast majority said they would use a transwoman's preferred pronoun put of respect to them.

BUT, there are also a worrying sector or Transactivists that are absolutely appropriating what it is to be a woman, demanding that lesbian women should have sex with their 'female penis' in an extremely male privileged, aggressive and violent manner.

portia so well said!

I've generally refrained from taking part in the trans debate but aleana's postings have done more to push me towards the anti side of things than the thousands of 'bullshit' and 'spartacus' posts.
I don't like being told I have a girl brain. That is meaningless.
I don't like being called 'cis'.
I don't like non consensual sex. Or rape as it's more commonly known.

there is a sound professional argument called the SAGE test

Omg, please someone tell me this is all a troll and the linked SAGE test isn't a real thing? I clicked on it thinking it would be amusing to find out if I had a so-called 'man brain' or 'lady brain', but it's so sexist and leading that I can't even answer the questions.

There's a question on how much you feel about housework, and theres no answer for not liking it that doesn't also assert that you believe housework is 'woman's work'.

On the question about cars you can't answer you find them fun, without also agreeing they are 'man work', and similarly on a question on carpentry all the options are either disliking it, or like it because it's for 'real men'.

Horrific.

The Spartacus thread is mostly full of people with XX chromosomes, ovaries, uteri, vaginas, brilliant ungendered brains and a lifetime of being treated as second class citizens. Women.

We - those women - are telling you that being a woman is about having those chromosomes, that menstruating body, those brilliant brains and enduring a lifetime being treated as less than men.

Women don't share a 'gender'
Women don't have the same personality
Women don't WEAR a certain type of clothing, or makeup
Women don't FEEL the same
Women don't THINK the same
Women don't BEHAVE the same
Women don't EXPRESS the same
Women don't SPEAK the same

There is literally no way of FEELING, THINKING, BEHAVING, EXPRESSING, SPEAKING or WEARING anything that makes anyone LIKE A WOMAN.

Women are not those things. We are human beings and we are all different.

Except for this, this one thing that puts us all in the same boat, whether we like or hate one another, whether we disagree on politics or religion, whether we live now or lived thousands of years ago, whether we are mothers or childless, whether we are kind or hateful, peaceful or violent, black or white, rich or poor, this thing which exists whether we are alive or dead, this thing which is common to all women, and distinct from ALL MEN?

Chromosomes, ovaries, uteri, vaginas, ungendered brains, and, almost without exception, a lifetime of being treated as less than men.

That's what women have in common.

And here you are OP - born male, raised with masculine expectations from birth, father of children. Here you are telling us that we - the women - are wrong about ourselves.

No. YOU are wrong.

For me, the issue isn't really about trans people, who have genuine gender dysphoria. I have great empathy and compassion for them and feel they deserve the protection and respect we should afford to everyone.
For me, the trans umbarella has started to include men who say they are women, and have always been a woman and expect to be treated as such, and have access to female only spaces. This is biological men who still have, and will keep, their penis and not take hormones, I assume this means no body dysphoria. To me that means not transgender.
As a lesbian, I have been accused of being transphobic for not considering a man, in a dress, with a "female penis" who identifies as a lesbian, to be a potential sexual partner. I don't, and I never will.
theres more chance of me consider a trans man as a potential partner, (although I think that's considered transphobic because you are not seeing a man).
Butch lesbian are being accused by certain trans activists of being closeted trans men, because being masculine presenting, despite being 100% a female means YOU ARE A MAN, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW IT! That they are more woman than me because they wear high heels and a dress. Can you imagine how infuriating that is!!!
Personally, the trans community now bares no resemblance to the community I have known for the past 30 years. It feels like it has been totally hijacked.
Don't get me started about transing children. I have worked with children as nanny for the last 25 years. Let me tell you, there's a million ways parents can fuck you up, transing your little effeminate boy, or tomboy girl seems to be the latest. I'm appalled.
Boys and girls were encouraged to play with any toys they liked and dress up how they wanted back in the day. It was taught to us that boys and girls should be treated the same. It's all changed now, to the point my 3 year old at work won't drink from a pink cup, because "it's for girls!". Shock horror!
Kids are getting not so subtle messages about what's for boys and what's for girls. The fact they decide to not conform to that should be applauded, not labelled as some mental disorder which has life long implications.
The 3 markers for a trans child is insistence, persistence and consistence, in wanting to be the opposite gender. Well that was me back then, and it's me now 35 years later, except I'm now totally comfortable with myself, I am proud to be a woman. A woman that still shops in the men's section, who has a boys bike and who still has a short back and sides. I'm just that kinda woman. If I remove my breasts and take testosterone, it won't make me a man. I will still have the genetic disease I have that ONLY affect women. (Otherwise I'd bloody consider it if it meant a cure!!)
We all do what we have to do to survive, and maybe even thrive, and we should support people who have extra needs, like people with gender dysphoria.
That shouldn't equate to the erasure of women only spaces, masculine presenting females, and not adhering to scientific evidence/or lack of.

P.S Personally, I have no problem with trans women in the bathrooms etc if they have transitioned. It is much safer for them in the women's, than the men's, for the very same reason why we don't want men having access to women only spaces.

About the SAGE test. (By the way I didn't use OP's link, I Googled)
This is from the page's 'Disclaimer', which makes interesting reading in full. However I've chosen to quote the relevant bit :

I am not a psychologist or psychiatrist. I have only a layperson's understanding of the "science" that serves as the foundation for both the questions and the methodology of psychological evaluations.

The Transcommunity does not say they are the other gender, they are saying that is how they feel they are. This is something that is hard to understand and digest. So let me try to help your thoughts

Here is where you have spectacularly shown you have completely misunderstood I Am Spartacus, and then gone on to discuss your point in quite a patronising manner.

There are Transwomen who are trying to rewrite science, by explicitly stating they are a woman, not just that they feel like a woman. Spartacus was specifically reclaiming what it is to be a woman and a refusal to play the emperors new clothes "men are women, when they aren't and never will be.

If you feel and want to dress and behave as a woman (whatever you think that means and which has been beautifully discussed by HairyLittlePoet) then fine. But it does not make men actually women.

I've read the full thread, but I think I might have missed where the OP responded to people posting that biological sex and gender are two different things. Or is the OP just ignoring that bit because it doesn't fit their world view?

wonderful post missy and I wholeheartedly agree with you

I have been wondering for quite some time what exactly is driving this increasingly narrowed definition of gender - what is behind the 'girls do this, boys like that' boxes that our poor children (and especially naturally puberty driven confused teens) are being forced into. Is it marketing? is it porn? is it the medical industry looking for a new potential outlet? Or is it something more sinister designed as a backlash against what would appear to be more laws to support equality for women?

Because I thought things were going in the right direction. In the 80s men were wearing makeup, women were dressing in suits - hell even David Beckham wore a sarong in the 90s and the world didnt fall apart.

I can understand a young teen experiencing gender dysphoria in this climate. In the past it was anorexia that was the major dysphoria suffered by teens, now gender dysphoria seems to be taking precedent. A girl, developing breasts and not wanting the increasing sexualised leer of men to be forced upon her. A young woman who doesnt relish the idea that she should sit prim and proper polishing her nails and looking like a porn star, waiting to service any man that asks with vigour - rejecting that stereotype as she doesnt identify with it
A young boy who isnt into the increasingly psychopathic behaviour displayed by the media of what being a 'real man', who likes art, and nature, and poetry, and maybe even put on his sisters dress when he was 4.
I feel sorry for these kids being told they are wrong, that because they dont follow the clone, they must be the opposite sex. And that they can even BE the opposite sex
It doesnt even seem to be driven by gender dysphoria trans though, those who were (now unfashionable, Ive been told) called transexuals - a great number of whom appear to support what was said on the Spartacus thread and just want to get on with their lives. Increasingly it appears that its driven by those men who are not going down the extensive psychotherapy/ medical intervention route, who are still physically male, and, with the risk of getting myself deleted, show a fair old sign of autogynephilia.

Am I the only person thinking that English is not the OP's first language?

Ha...

S.A.G.E. Test Results
Your Raw Score is: -695, which indicates that overall you are Masculine

Your appearance is Masculine

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Male person.

You appear to socialize in a masculine manner.

You believe you have mild conflicts about your gender identity.

You indicated your were born Female.

DH is having a go now too. That was the most biased and badly written questionnaire I have ever seen and it also had spelling mistakes and the wrong "there" at one point!!

Also a lot of it - eg facial blindness and their weird obsession with hugs (three questions!!) - is easily explained by my asd. Interesting if this questionnaire is genuinely used as part of the diagnostic procedure...

river

That would certainly make sense, some of them are incredibly patronising as well

beyond

Well done you. I got really bored and gave up with it, they were shit questions as well

Y'know, I think this bullshit questionnaire requires a thread all of its own. I'm gonna make one in FWR...

River the op's linked blog says that they were born & raised on a US military base in the US, every family member mentioned in the blog has Amercan English sounding names so I think English is their first language.

100% agree with you!!!!

Re childhood, what we do know now is, teenage girls are their most unhappiest. Children in general are more unhappy now than ever. There is a higher rate of mental health and eating disorders.
The simple fact children do not have freedom any more, can't play outside, lack of unstructured play, helicopter parenting, too much to and online use with access to very adult things, hard core pornography being one, is having very detrimental effects.
Studies have shown, something simple as that lack of free play in childhood is having serious negative consequences for children's physical, mental, and social development.
Then you have the bombardment and the sexualisation and pinkification of girls.
I mean I had to complain in a high store two years ago about the bikinis for BABIES they were selling!

I'm slightly detracting from the original post, but I do feel that it's all interconnected. Everything I have learned, studied and experienced regarding childhood and child development, makes it very clear how important those early years are and how it can affect and mould your future, you wellbeing, your mental health and your physical health.