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A different view to "I am Spartacus"

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aleanasjourney · 01/09/2016 02:01

Hello everyone,

I have had the time to read a lot of your comments about Transgender people not being biologically the gender they wish to be. It is a very sad day when parents are not able to share the hopes and dreams of other parents. It is a sad day when other parents cannot understand the pain and anguish of other parents when their child is in so much pain that they want to die.
Now I know what you are about to say, if they get help then they would not have a problem and they would be fixed. In the DSM 3,4, and 5 Gender Dysphoria is a real problem. It is not something made up to lead people to the Devil or anything else that crazy. By the way if you go to a Physiologist or a social worker they use the DSM as a guide book for issues of the mind. Though this year it is being discussed to remove the issues of Gender Dysphoria. Now if you try to discount the issues of Gender Dysphoria then the little happy pills some of you are taking must stop as well.
Let me try to give you a little light... I respect your views as it is your right to have them. But giving you the right to have your views then you must accept the right given to others to have the view that they are not what their body says they are.
When it comes to children who are feeling the way that they are, would you not do ANYTHING to keep your child alive? Hormone blockers do not cause boobs to grow. They do exactly what they say they are going to do. It puts off Puberty, it does not stop it. They are used to see if the child is going through a phase. Now to the issues of physical sex (penis and vagina) those of you saying that they are the only two genders need to understand that you have been proven incorrect by 99% of the medical community. There is a physical sex called Intersexed for those of you who don't know that is what used to be called a Hermaphrodite. Now this does not mean that they were born with born sets of equipment. What it means is simply that some of the traits of both sexes are included. Meaning that you could have a child born with a penis and a set of ovaries. Now saying it is a "normal" condition, in the past surgery was chosen for children born with this condition. The suicide rate was very high for this group cause a lot of the time the doctors got it wrong. So if you look at a seesaw penis on one side and vagina on the other intersexed sits in the middle. Their is a sliding scale in the three, this is being proven with the markers now are wider than the simple XX and XY. Though the majority are XX and XY. It is possible that some of the mental traits are linked in a different fashion than what was thought. If you accept that being Gay or Lesbian is not a mental illness then you have to look at the Transgender issue as not an illness as well but as a mental trait similar to being Gay or Lesbian.
Furthermore we must also look at what the Transcommunity are saying compared to what is being said by the media and the politicians. The Transcommunity does not say they are the other gender, they are saying that is how they feel they are. This is something that is hard to understand and digest. So let me try to help your thoughts. In the morning you wake up you don't see your body. You feel your environment around you. Go to the bathroom, eat breakfast, brush your teeth and then you are at the point where you have to get dressed you look at your clothes and you feel like wearing Red. Okay now lets look at a Transperson they wake up they feel their environment around them. Go to the bathroom, but don't look in the mirror, they eat breakfast, they brush their teeth, they try to avoid the mirror. They get dressed they go about their day hoping to make it one more day. Then it happens, it snaps they can't keep doing this. This is not life, this is existence nothing more. Something has to be done, not that they want it done. They would love to be the "Norm" but they can't it is more than a feeling of RED. It is something wrong deep in their soul. They do not feel connected to the skin they are in. So what do they do, some give up, some crawl into a hole, some end it all, some fight it until it kills them, some say I have to Transition. They worry about the cost of the choice but what is the other choices if they don't. They want to live just like the "Norm". So they feel closer to the XX or the XY. So they try to live like that to make it. Now to debunk some of the crazy ideas that the media and politicians pounding into your head that is incorrect.
*Men can Breast feed, the glands are there and all they have to do is be activated.
*Transpeople do not cause problems in the bathrooms. Here is why Hormone blockers for Transwomen shut off Testosterone . That is male hormone that cause the erections, sex drive and some thought patterns associated with some forms of perversions . IF that Hormone is not working then those are no longer issues. Because news flash without the hormone erections well 90% are gone. Sex Drive is changed to an emotional connection vs physical connection.
*When it comes to parenting most Transwomen become more in tune with their children.
*No they don't perverse their children in to any form of gender role in fact they hope that their children do not have the same issues.
*When it comes to pronouns what is wrong with a little respect? They are not punishing you for being the "Norm". Call you out for dressing like a slob, bogan, white trash, or any thing else. In fact Transpeople for the most part are more inclusive of your feelings cause what they go through.

You might wonder where my in site comes from. I live it.... My story would shock and scare some of you, if I was your child. I would welcome you to read it aleanasjourney.com/about/ . In fact if you questions ask me, don't assume cause I assure you the truth will help you understand me. I wish you the best day no matter who you are or who you want to be.
~Ally

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Inertia · 01/09/2016 10:42

Gender isn't what's between your legs. What's between your legs (surgical intervention excepted) defines your sex, and in humans that is binary, not a spectrum. The vast majority are born with a clearly recognisable sex, either male or female; intersex is recognised as an anomalous medical condition which is unrelated to gender.

Gender is a social construct and is affected by a number of factors such as societal and parental expectations, and life experiences and privileges. Conflating gender with sex erases the rights which women have due to their biology.

BertieBotts · 01/09/2016 10:42

Why do you keep talking about gender as biology when you mean sex? You said yourself it gets confusing when we combine mental and physical definitions, well, yes, it does, so stop doing it.

Spartacus · 01/09/2016 10:43

You genuinely believe that a woman who transitions to being a transman (not a man, a transman) then has male privilege?

So they're paid more, etc? People treat what they say with more reverence, because a "man" said it?

Nope.

People might be kind and use desired pronouns to trans people's faces, when they like that person - just as one might say, "Oh, yes, that hat suits you" to someone who is delighted with a new hat. But they don't actually believe those pronouns are absolutely accurate, just as they don't believe the hat looks wonderful.

Belief is a funny thing; you can't force it with mansplaining or transplaining. Again, I go back to using facts to prove things. And wishing and hoping and feeling things aren't objective truths, I'm afraid.

I'd love to know what it is to feel like a woman though.

I just do that boring old being a woman thing.

MisDescamisados · 01/09/2016 10:43

@aleanasjourney.
There are only TWO sexes . If there were more than two, intersex would not exist, as it the term "inter" would be rendered oxymoronic, scientifically.
Now , I don't know whether you opined that "gender is a spectrum " as well, but if it were , then whence "trans".

One thing in your tutorial did stand out , and that is this ....

" those of you who've been saying that they [sic] are only two genders need to understand that you have been proven incorrect by 99% of the medical community ......"

STOP . RIGHT. THERE .

you seem to be either saying gender is a spectrum (so whence trans then, as I asked before ?) , or you are conflating sex and gender , or simply mixing terms , none of which helps form logical , cogent, argument, and shows - actually - a level of disrespect to your intended audience .

Oh and finally , and as I'm sure other medical types have previously refuted no doubt, 99% of the "medical community" have NOT proven the existence of two clearly identifiable sexes "incorrect" and I suggest you stop invoking us and buy a Tortora or Grey's anatomy , or hell Google it. The NHS is a good resource and guess what , it's positively busting at the seems with the "medical community " .

MisDescamisados · 01/09/2016 10:45

And sorry for occasional typo. Typing on a bkackberry . Apols

aleanasjourney · 01/09/2016 10:45

FRETGNIKCUF

Cherno Biko - really I doubt you heard of her until you googled it as well. If there was a crime let the proper authorities handle it. Because I can show you heaps of "Cis" drunk people who have done it as well.It draws no proof of anything other than two stupid drunk people.

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Kropotkinator · 01/09/2016 10:46

A common theme with science denial (which is what some Trans* do) in an attempt to detrail valid arguments and enrage the opposition:

1)Evade
2)Distract
3)Attack

Notice the tactics. In case of 1) and 2) ignore the distraction, bring it back to the original point. In case of 3) do not attack back, point out the attack and bring it back to the original point.

Remember: If someone is making a positive claim against the scientific or sociological consenus it is their duty to provide evidence and convince you of it, not yours to research or just believe the mantra ("GO EDUCATE YOURSELF") (female is gender and not biology) (gender is material and not a social construct) (Transwomen are women) (I'm a lesbian with a penis) (cis is a real thing)

FRETGNGIKCUF:

I can see you getting annoyed. Deep breaths. Wine

FRETGNIKCUF · 01/09/2016 10:47

Cherno Biko sits on women's panels and is lauded as a wonderful transwoman

Spartacus · 01/09/2016 10:49

Lol, user775, one could read your post either way there. I'm choosing to read it as supportive of women. It works well, thanks!

Using biology as a reason to refuse to budge up and make room for anyone who says they're a woman isn't hateful. Saying "but, hey, whilst you can't sit on this bench, we'll help you to build your own bench" isn't hateful. What IS hateful is saying (and I'm paraphrasing and yy, NATALT), "we don't give a shit about how you feel, we're at risk of committing actual suicide if you don't do as we say" and it is also, interestingly, a v real control tactic of the abusive male.

FRETGNIKCUF · 01/09/2016 10:49

*Aleana

Tasmania?
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This is a population of half a million, it also has a very high incidence of rape like the rest of Australia. Not really sure why you're quoting it.

FRETGNIKCUF · 01/09/2016 10:52

*User
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Women are tired of being told anyone can be a woman.

How is that hatred?

The extreme examples are to counter the lies being spread by the trans movement that men can women, when all research say they remain the same post transition except in outward appearance(marginally).

FreshwaterSelkie · 01/09/2016 10:52

Cherno Biko - really I doubt you heard of her until you googled it as well. If there was a crime let the proper authorities handle it. Because I can show you heaps of "Cis" drunk people who have done it as well.It draws no proof of anything other than two stupid drunk people

Are you kidding me?

For those of you not familiar with the case, Cherno Biko, a transwoman, admitted to raping a black trans man because Biko wanted to forcibly impregnate the trans man and have beautiful little black trans babies. Biko personally published this admission. Biko then defended themself by citing an abusive childhood.

Biko said "The first time we had sex I can barely remember, as it followed a night of drinking and smoking but I know that we broke two of the most important rules… consent and safe sex".

And Aleana, you want to dismiss this as "two drunk people". That is despicable. I see you.

BertrandRussell · 01/09/2016 10:52

" I'm just irritated and bored of the petty, judgemental, angry groups who are trying to browbeat people into hearing their prejudiced views."

Yep. Me too.

I wish a few more "moderate" transactivists would stand up and be counted. So far we only seem to have petty, judgemental, angry ones trying to browbeat people. and I know that most transpeople do not want to be spoken for by people like that.......

Blistory · 01/09/2016 10:55

aleana

Let's simplify this a bit and look at a practical implication of current trans activism theory.

I'm a biological woman. You're a transwoman. Both of us have equal human rights. I'm going through an airport and get pulled by security for a pat down. I currently have the right to insist on that search being done by a member of my own sex. To me that doesn't mean transwoman, pre op or post op.

You have rights as a transwoman not to be discriminated against at work so here I am preventing you from doing your job. Maybe your employers don't know your status. Do you lie to them, come out to them or touch me without my consent ?

Who's rights win out in this ? I'd argue that mine do because otherwise we're encouraging a deceit.

This isn't about thinking that you as a transwoman will behave inappropriately any more than a male security officer would. It's about me having the legal right to determine who touches my body.

I suspect and would hope that most transwomen would be respectful and not allow the situation to arise but I find it difficult to take on trust and would actively campaign for my rights to be protected. This creates a conflict with your rights. How do I resolve that ?

aleanasjourney · 01/09/2016 10:55

MisDescamisados

I can shoot a shotgun at you statement and have smaller holes. Stop trying to be an internet Doctor. Really trying to argue with the medical term of Intersex?

Okay if you see that I am saying in simple terms the Gender Spectrum then the Mindset of all those involved are different as well. Why argue something that is evident?

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FRETGNIKCUF · 01/09/2016 10:55

*Kroop
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Alas I'm abstaining from wine for September in aid of cancer research, in memory of my sisters best friend who died last week. Age 41 leaving three young children.

FRETGNIKCUF · 01/09/2016 10:56

Two stupid drunk people??

Are you talking about rape???

FRETGNIKCUF · 01/09/2016 10:59

Sex = biology

Gender = socialisation based upon sex

Easy Peasy

Do keep up aleana

aleanasjourney · 01/09/2016 11:01

FreshwaterSelkie
And Aleana, you want to dismiss this as "two drunk people". That is despicable. I see you.

Good, FFS then you can see how many babies have been born due to two drunken idiots. What the hell to you expect when booze and drugs are involved. It does not make it right in any form. Even with a Man or a Woman. Get a life and let the authorities sort it out. Then if it needs to go to a court it can be handled there like anyone else would face. This is equality at it ugliest. If you want it for that then you MUST accept it for everything else.

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FreshwaterSelkie · 01/09/2016 11:01

You're trying to tell an board full of mothers that there's a spectrum of gender because intersex conditions disprove male and female?

How are babies made in your version?

MephistoMarley · 01/09/2016 11:02

Trans males are not transmen. You're a trans male. Transmen are trans females. Being female people who call themselves trans.

FreshwaterSelkie · 01/09/2016 11:05

Good, FFS then you can see how many babies have been born due to two drunken idiots. What the hell to you expect when booze and drugs are involved. It does not make it right in any form. Even with a Man or a Woman. Get a life and let the authorities sort it out. Then if it needs to go to a court it can be handled there like anyone else would face. This is equality at it ugliest. If you want it for that then you MUST accept it for everything else

Accept rape, ladies. You wanted equality, there you go. You drink, you get raped, it's your fault.

I just can't see any other way to read this.

ageingrunner · 01/09/2016 11:06

Someone on Twitter was saying 'how do you know you're biologically female? Have you ever been tested?'
No, no need. I know because I pushed a baby (that I had grown in my uterus) out of my vagina. Its not quite as unknown and unknowable as you are trying to make out!

ageingrunner · 01/09/2016 11:07

There is no other way to read it. Even though the man was pretending to be a woman and thf woman was pretending to be a man, he was still able to rape her, and people will still defend his actions and try to blame his victim Angry

almondpudding · 01/09/2016 11:08

The whole of society should deal with the issue of violence against women. It's not something we shouldn't comment on and leave to the authorities.

I'm certainly not bringing my son up to believe he should expect to rape someone if he's been drinking.