dear mn hq why are so many disablist threads being left up

[Samcro]

one today for instance and mn hq post
"We don't think that this thread is disablist, it is a valid discussion that we don't think should be shut down. "

yet it has obviously been reported.
cause hurt and upset
how is that making life easier(or better) for the sn community`?

or this message from mn hq
That CBeebies is just far too PC
Thread deleted
Message from MNHQ: Thanks so much for all the reports about this.

Although there has been some interesting debate and discussion, we do agree that the OP and some of what ensues is disablist, so we have decided to delete.

how can these be interesting debates??
\not long ago mn hq said that they were going to be quicker dealing with this stuff
what happened??

And what you think is so much more important than what other people think.

one of the problems I have with people saying "well Im disabled and i think that joke is ok" yes you might.....you have a voice and can say that.
but what about people like my dd who have no voice. who are the butt of jokes. who don't even "get " the joke because they don't do nasty.
who is going to be their voice.

When I was at school I was the butt of many jokes for many reasons.
Those who made those jokes clearly thought that their opinion was ok, and what I thought didn't matter.
In those instances, I know for sure that what I thought was much more important than what they thought.
Their opinions made several peoples' lives shit and unbearable.
Having their opinions tempered wouldn't have made their lives shit, therefore that should be the default - challenging the racist, homophobic, disablist, even when some of them think they are right, should always be a priority.

Sorry, that made sense in my head, not so much written down

Jokes about disability are often a question of taste. I love Adam Hills and The Last leg where they do make fun of their own disabilities and l laugh along with them. I expect others are offended.
The ONLY reason why The Last Leg is so incredibly funny is BECAUSE it is presented by disabled people. They are laughing at themselves. Josh, whilst not disabled, is a friend so is part of the team and it is fine for him to join in.
The programme would be extremely offensive if it was presented by only non-disabled people - even if some disabled people still found it funny!

It is fine for people to laugh about their own disability, and that extends to close friends and family who KNOW that person well.
It is NOT fine for me to laugh at your disability without knowing you.
When I get together with my visually impaired friends we can talk about each other in a way that other people simply cannot - even if some of the group don't mind.

The Last Leg also aims to get people talking about disability, get people more comfortable around disability, educate and normalise. Their #isitok has been brilliant to enable people to ask questions without offending.
There was a post not long ago where people were invited to ask questions about disability and it was enlightening and positive.

When MNHQ talk about wanting to allow discussion about disability, that's the type of approach that they need, but the only valid responses can come from disabled people, sometimes carers and very occasionally someone with a particular personal experience. Whilst we will never all think the same thing, if there is a general consensus amongst the disabled posters that something is wrong, then people should err on the side of caution and follow that advice.
We are not trying to shut down discussion, but it must be managed much more effectively than it currently is.

Still people are telling me what to think. Stop it, it's rude.
You can think whatever you want to think, but you cannot tell other people that just because you find something funny, it is not offensive.
If you are happy for complete strangers to take the piss out of your disability then that is absolutely fine for you, but that doesn't stop those strangers being offensive and disablist.

Silver, perhaps you could tell me, in my situation, bullied for things linked to ASD, bullied by perhaps 20+ people, because my needs/opinions were in the minority, can I not say that they were wrong, because they thought it was funny and ok, and only hurting one person (me)?

If you ask ten deaf people whether they are offended by the joke in the AIBU thread, and only one says they are offended, you can take one of two routes:

1. Tell them they are being over sensitive, dismiss their feelings and allow them to continue to be offended whilst feeling shit about themselves at the same time for not "getting" the joke.
2. Accept that to some it's offensive and to only use that joke when with people you know aren't going to be offended.

Going by that thread, 1 is the accepted norm, but how shit is that? Accepting that by keeping a certain attitude is going to hurt people but still using it? It doesn't say a lot about those people really.

Anyone else got an email from mn insight asking for opinions on mnhq's posting on the boards/talk guidelines...?

Anyone else got an email from mn insight asking for opinions on mnhq's posting on the boards/talk guidelines...?

You are not the only one, someone else has told me they did.
Very specific "tick box" questions.

Of course that was wrong, Pig. You weren't laughing. How could it be anything but wrong?

is there a boc to put other information in polter?

box*

How convenient.
How would you rate MNHQ: Good>>>>>>>>Very good

That sort of thing?

Anyone else got an email from mn insight asking for opinions on mnhq's posting on the boards/talk guidelines...?
No, not me. Though it doesn't sound like they actually want to know if they aren't asking the right questions.

I tried to link, but it keeps redirecting to "thank you for completing". Doh.

Silver, presumably when someone is offended by the joke in the AIBU thread, they're not laughing either, despite what others feel about it?

A joke in AIBU isn't systematic bullying in school. Totally different, obviously. Getting on one's high horse about a mild joke on FB is ridiculous.