Banning the term "cis"

[OlennasWimple]

Apologies if this had already been done, but can MNHQ consider banning the term "cis", given how horrifically offensive so many users of MN find it?

I don't think I need to set out the background and reasoning to this request (but can do so if it would help!)

allthefluffyanimals the very small number of intersex people (who often don't identify as transgender) can seek expert medical help if they wish, to help them decide how they should live, or if they want to change their body in any way.
The fact that there are a few intersex people doesn't alter the fact that humans are divided into 2 biological sexes.

I think this thread could do with a few jokes, Asprilla !

Relaxed and open-minded is one way of putting it. I can think of others.

I don't identify as cis and I object to it being applied to me. In much the same way it seems that people who appear one sex but identify as another object to being misgendered. I don't see why it's any different.

Woman is both a biological descriptor and an identity. People in the street don't react to your genitals/whatever, they react to the identity you are portraying. Which in my case is woman

Nope. Nope. Nope.
People in the street DO REACT TO YOUR ACTUAL, BIOLOGICAL SEX AS THEY PERCEIVE IT AND NOTHING ELSE!

Men DO rape biological females that call themselves "transmen". And they rape them because they see a woman and want to rape her. And they do not care about your identity.

No one fucking cares about your identity except some few people who identify the same and think you are cool.

If people cared about my identity, I would not be molested by male strangers when waiting for the bus at 3 a.m. Because I do not identify with that. Guess what? They don't care!

The only people who react to my fucking identity are the people who like the band name on my shirt. And they only react to my identity as a fan of that band. Not to my "gender identity". Because "woman" is not an identity, it is a biological sex.

The person who says it around me a lot is trans and only ever refers to women as cis-women. Funnily enough, that person doesn't refer to men as cis-men. They get to stay as just men.

You're right. I find this really striking. I can't even count the number of times I've read 'cis-woman' online, but this is the first time I've read 'cis-man'.

venusinscorpio such as? (Not being goady, just genuinely don't know what you're getting at)

Starspread - so we're not relaxed and open minded because we don't like being called things that we don't feel apply to us?

Why not ask the men who don't want to be called things that they don't feel apply to them to be relaxed and open minded instead?

I've read cis man many times.

Somerville - ah sorry, no, I was making a slightly tongue in cheek reference specifically to MEN who are happy to refer to themselves as cis men. I don't agree with the women here who hate the word cis, but I wouldn't belittle the strong and genuinely-felt opinions.

Sorry for a stupid question (see my post above as to why it will be stupid )

Is the main issue that a lot of women don't like the label, don't agree with it, it's not needed?(I think that is the case)

or

They find the shortening of the words or the actual word itself 'cis' offensive?

The thing about being 'open minded' is you can be too openminded for your own good, and then your brains fall out.
Nah, I'm just going to stick with basic scientific facts and dictionary definitions.

I just don't think men referring to themselves as "cis men" is particularly positive or progressive. Especially given that it doesn't affect men in the slightest, as they're insulated by their male privilege. So they're just jumping on the bandwagon, IMO. And I loathe the word "cis" for the reasons I've stated several times upthread.

So transwomen can call themselves women -- but this means that adult biological females cannot ? Utter bollocks. So to speak.

A transwoman is a transwoman; I was born female and am now a woman. I neither need nor want any further definition.
I will certainly request a deletion if it is used about me. Because it doesn't just mean on the same side, indeed more and more it is a deliberately derogatory term with shades of meaning other than the original latin and many people, including me, find it offensive.

I dislike being given a label that is not required and I do not accept. I have been a woman all my adult life, and have no reason to be labelled as anything else.

Asprila I always thought cis was The Cooperative Insurance Society

You're allowed to object to a label arbitrarily applied to you by someone else for whatever reason you like, Asprilla. There's no hive mind.

Posters saying that they've only ever seen cis woman/cisgender used as an insult - would you be willing to point me at some instances? Because this is 100% not my experience and I'd like to understand better where you're coming from.

I'm reading back over all the comments and finding myself more and more disgusted.

The image of trans women being some bolshy, aggressive race bent on muscling into women's spaces in order to "take over" or something is bizarre!

The trans community needs protection not hate. Trans people are murdered, battered in the street, called names and hounded on a daily basis.

To think of MN...which has been my place of reason and good times for so many years, putting out all this hatred to a vulnerable and marginalised community like this is sickening.

Those of you on here saying "I;m not this and I'm not that" remind me of the outraged middle class white Americans in the 50s who didn't want to share a bus seat with black people.

I can't wait to see MNHQ come onto this thread.

Maryz "I'm a woman, don't use a ridiculous made-up name to describe me"

^^ This!!

PortiaCastis

I object whether I'm allowed ( by who) or not. Haven't we got enough labels we don't need. The only label I will answer to is Mum or Mummy if dd is after a sub.

In what way is it used as an insult? (Genuine question - never heard of cis women until today)

No, I do not have to be called cis to validate trans women's feelings, Violet. I know it's hard to grasp, but this really isn't a Rosa Parks scenario.