Banning the term "cis"

[OlennasWimple]

Apologies if this had already been done, but can MNHQ consider banning the term "cis", given how horrifically offensive so many users of MN find it?

I don't think I need to set out the background and reasoning to this request (but can do so if it would help!)

You're exactly gonna get men in your restrooms, if it goes by sex, as transmen are a thing

trans men are female
They are welcome in female spaces because they are female

Bertrand and Lweji well I mean, I am an undergrad, so it'd be quite a while before I get to raise my children in a gender neutral way.

Monkeys No, I haven't read the whole thread, it's on 28 pages and the majority is just transphobic nonsense. I'm just trying to understand.

the majority is just transphobic nonsense.

Yep, goady fucker.

"No, I haven't read the whole thread, it's on 28 pages and the majority is just transphobic nonsense." You haven't read it but you know it's transphobic nonsense. Right.

I'm not bothered about transmen being in the same toilet because they're women, so therefore not a danger to me.

SorenaJ

Yeah, that figures. Good luck with it. :) Really.
And chances are the reality will be that your girl will go to nursery or school and love fairy princesses and make up or your boy will only like cars and balls, often to fit in with the other girls and boys in their group, regardless of your efforts.
You might want to start adding "try" to your intentions. :)
Come back in a few years and let us know how many dresses you bought your boy.

Okay, I give up, life's too short for this. But please don't call transwoman men or transmen woman to their face, no matter your beliefs, that would be incredibly damaging and hurtful.

TFFT.
I need some

Lweji Will do. I plan to buy him lots of dresses when he is small 'cause they're adorable, and if he wants to, when he is older, then lots and lots, for sure. I hope he would want to, I don't think the other kids would mind, I think the parents would mind, and then teach their kids to mind. The same for my girl, if she wants to, obviously.

But please don't call transwoman men or transmen woman to their face, no matter your beliefs, that would be incredibly damaging and hurtful.

That is not the point of this thread.

The point is that calling women "cis women" is also hurtful to women.
Each one should be called what they like, and if women are against being called cis, then they should also be respected.
Surely that's a given, particularly by a group that stands by wanting to be called what they want and not what other people think.

I don't mind being called "sis" though. Just for the record.

So not gender neutral then- just imposing reverse stereotyping.

I would never dream of mis gendering a trans person to their face (because it is rude) but in my head I do.
Soren - good luck with having children. But the theory never trumps the cold hard reality of raising children.

SorenaJ
It will sound patronising, but, do come back when you do have children and let us know how you ARE raising them.

Passing trans men (rare, but occasional) can use make male facilities because nobody would know they are not male
Non passing trans men (most) can use the female facilities because everyone can see they are female

FWIW I was frighteningly poor when I had small children and genuinely didn't have money to waste on clothes in the vague belief that they might like it. Had to be practical above all else.

So you will impose wearing dresses on your son
Sorry to be rude but it's blindingly obvious you're still a teenager

Sorena - Did you just call us all "ciswomen" after numerous women told you that it is offensive and that we reject that label?

SorenaJ you say - "Literally a person's bits doesn't matter, a woman is a woman, they are the exact same inside, it doesn't matter that they have been born with a body that people doesn't traditionally consider women."

Sorry, going back a bit, but I want to understand this. By "inside" do you mean inside a woman's head they feel the same?

Does this mean you think people feel differently inside depending on whether they identify as men or women?

I can't get my head round this. On the one hand you say you are rejecting the binary - but on the contrary, this idea seems to be embracing it - indeed basing the whole idea of trans around an idea of binary men's brains or women's brains.

I can't understand the logic. Can you explain it to me?

Maryz we actually have a trans woman in our town.Unfortunatly all the hair and the skirt so doesn't disguise that they are a man.They want to be treated as a straight woman. Good for them. However they become abusive and aggressive when they are trying to hit on a straight man and getting knocked back.

There is nothing female nor feminine about that person. They have a male body, obviously, and also the male socialisation.
(How many women do you know who become aggressive when a man rejects them? It is rather atypical. You'd think someone who wants to impersonate a woman would do a bit more research work and put a bit more effort into at least performing femininity right.)

It is ridiculous to want to ban it.

Not all women find the term "cis" offensive.

I plan to buy him lots of dresses when he is small 'cause they're adorable, and if he wants to, when he is older, then lots and lots, for sure. I hope he would want to, I don't think the other kids would mind, I think the parents would mind, and then teach their kids to mind. The same for my girl, if she wants to, obviously

I find this unbelievably telling. You're going to buy your son 'lots and lots of dresses' - dresses dresses dresses - and then as an afterthought 'the same for the girl'.

Soren why are you going to encourage your son to wear a dress?

It's different if they see a dress and want to play dress up but to actively go out and dress them in a dress. Why?

Not all women find the term "cis" offensive.

But if one woman does, then she should be respected and not be called that.

Or could we call transwomen men if one transwoman doesn't mind being called a man?

So basically you're reducing gender to clothes.

What are you going to do to combat, for example, the modeling of toxic masculinity to children? To educate both boys and girls about consent? To teach girls about assertiveness?

"Not all women find the term "cis" offensive."

I don't find it offensive. I just don't want its use imposed on women. And I don't want to be blackmailed into using it to avoid being labelled transphobic.