Banning the term "cis"

[OlennasWimple]

Apologies if this had already been done, but can MNHQ consider banning the term "cis", given how horrifically offensive so many users of MN find it?

I don't think I need to set out the background and reasoning to this request (but can do so if it would help!)

There are many ways to be a watermelon, Kitty....

Literally a person's bits doesn't matter

I think you'll find pretty much most of the medical establishment would disagree with you on that one.

Sorry that was in answer to Soren

I think Sorena's gone off for a lovely think now

People are aware that 'cisgender' is in the dictionary right?

www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/cisgender-meaning

www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/cisgender

"Why is your truth more real that my truth?"

Truth isn't supposed to be subjective.

Your "truth" isn't real. It is in your head. The word 'woman' does not and has never meant to describe a feeling.

"Literally a person's bits doesn't matter, a woman is a woman, they are the exact same inside"

So, in your learned opinion, males who fancy themselves women have uteruses, female-shaped pelvises, etc? If not, what do you mean by "they are exact [sic] same inside"?

Oh god I've just read the entire thread and I really want to smash my head on the nearest wall.

I also reject being called cis and no transwomen are not and will never be biologically women

Yes well many offensive words are in the dictionary but I still don't want to be called them.

"People are aware that 'cisgender' is in the dictionary right"

So is "woman" but you still don't get that it means adult human female, Tiggy. Or do you?

OurBlanche Okay, I hear you, I guess, sort of, but obviously I'm gonna see what I'm saying as truth, just like you are gonna see what you are saying is truth. Basically women are upset about being assigned a gender identity as cis, which I can totally understand, not everyone have a strong sense of gender identity. Where I disagree with people is that people consider transwomen as lesser women, while they are just as much women as everyone else, in my opinion, because I value "women are people whose gender identity" higher than "women=female bits" because I have lots of trans friends, and I know how much that mentality can hurt people. They are the exact same inside.

That was an attempt at engage and summarise the discussion. Honestly, it is interesting, identifying as possibly trans, I just have a zero tolerance for transphobia, but yeah, we can have a civil discussion OurBlanche because gender and gender identity is very interesting.

I would like to apologise for the offspring comment, that was vile, but honestly, you meet transphobic people everyday, and you really don't want more, because it is super draining.

Oh ffs

They are the exact same inside.

What does this actually mean to you Soren?

Soren gender identification is harmful to the massive great big group of people who have fought to be thought of as human, and not constrained by erroneous concepts of gender. Can you not see why putting people into boxes is harmful?

Reading your posts is actually "super draining, sorena*.

There are many ways to be a watermelon, Kitty....

Really well i never. Theres me thinking if you grow a watermelon from seed, its large, oval shaped, green and red inside its a watermelon. Something that is curved yellow and fleshy would be a bananna. A watermelon wearing a bananna peel does not make it a bananna

Have you thought about "checking your privilege" Soren?

It's only draining because you know underneath that the arguments you are trying to write off as 'transphobia' make a lot more sense than the ones you are desperately trying to hold onto in order to be nice to everyone.

Honestly Sorena, have a long, critical think about the things you have posted and ask yourself whether they really make logical sense.
Because your heart is so clearly in the right place, you are trying to be open-minded and kind. But you can't just let go of sense and reason in order to do so. Well, you can, but it's a headfuck.

Soren - many of us on MN have children - boys and girls - and we see all too many cases of how genderization can be harmful. We're the people behind things like the 'let toys be toys' campaign to stop shops genderizing toys, having seen the girls not allowed construction sets or boys not allowed the nurses outfit (to take a simple example).

The notion that a transwoman is just as good a woman as a biological woman is the crux of it all, isn't it ?

When biological women define themselves as real women, transwomen claim to be rejected, hurt and othered and refuse to see that women aren't claiming to be better humans or greater beings but are simply referring to biological fact.
When biological women claim womanhood for themselves, transwomen bite back because they've had a lifetime of male socialisation that leads them to be surprised that they're not top dog.
When biological women are inclusive and accepting of transwomen whilst maintaining that there are differences, transwomen still seem to need to prove that Woman 2.0, the new and improved release, is better than Woman 1.0.

When the trans online community gets off its arse and decides to define itself, I might be interested in a discussion. When they can agree what trans means, then they're welcome to come to the party and discuss what woman means.

And this is more than having just reached a peak trans moment. The online transactivism that many of us dismissed as a tiny bunch of extremists has turned out to have been a well organised powerful group capable of rewriting history and capable of lobbying on a scale we haven't seen before. The average transwoman on the street is simply cannon fodder to these people. Women, biological women that is, have never been able to mobilise politicians, organisations, public opinion to this extent. Which begs the question, who are the women behind this ? And I suspect the answer is that there aren't any.

people consider transwomen as lesser women

No, not lesser women, any more than brown eyes are lesser than blue eyes. Just not the same.

They are the exact same inside.

Except for the bodily parts they have in common, women aren't the 'exact same inside' and don't necessarily share anything in common with each other than they would share with any other member of the human race.

People are aware that 'cisgender' is in the dictionary right?

As is woman. Funny that.

That's verry patronising kind of you Soren. Sadly you contradict yourself in that post: not everyone have a strong sense of gender identity - which is why we are all shouting "No".

You are asserting that women like myself are transphobic, we are clearly saying we are not.

You claim to have many trans friends, well, if that makes your opinion more real, more honest, well, buckle up honey, I have some bad news for you... I have trans friends too, trans men and trans women... a trans man employee and another trans man who used to be my SIL until they chose to identify differently.

So you see I too have every reason to dislike transphobia with a personal passion.

But nothing many of the posters here, including myself, have posted is transphobic. You simply choose to see it as such because you have not understood what we are saying.

Close your browser if you so desire. Keep your eyes firmly shut, clamp your fingers into your ears, sing loudly... no, louder!

You can't argue with biology.
Someone can identify as whoever they want, but when the pants are off, and you can see the biological, erm, equipment, that's what defines whether you are a man or a woman, not the outer layers of clothing.
I could dress up as a dog and pee up trees. That would not make me a dog. I'd be a transdog. Unless all other dogs will be relabelled cisdogs?

Precisely, this notion of 'better woman' is not the point. This isn't Rupaul's Drag Race and we're not saying we are the fishiest!

It is funny how the trans activists work though

They are all about having the same rights if not more rights than women.

They feel like women so therefore they are.

Yet if someone breeches the "I am a woman therefore I am" and does something like rape a woman such as that Christopher, they immediately stick their fingers in the ears and say "no no no. He doesn't count. He is so obviously a man abusing our rights"