Banning the term "cis"

[OlennasWimple]

Apologies if this had already been done, but can MNHQ consider banning the term "cis", given how horrifically offensive so many users of MN find it?

I don't think I need to set out the background and reasoning to this request (but can do so if it would help!)

The emperor has no clothes, and all of that is meaningless, Sorena. Now you can weep for humanity and report everything you don't like if you want to, but sorry - that's all drivel.

And yes, making a term up to describe a group of people is perfectly legit, that's how literally every group desription is made.

It's best if that group of people have some kind of unifying quality though.

It shouldn't matter, but it does, the world is very gendered, and certain things are expected of you based on whatever gender you are assigned at birth. So people's gender identity is just a reaction to that, as in, no I am not like that, I don't fit into this, or yes, I fit into this or anywhere I between.

No, it is quite possible to ignore gender altogether. It is not possible to ignore biological sex.

Again, transgenderism is science, and is biology. Being transgender is a biological thing. Gender identity is biological.

No it isn't. There is no biological definition of gender identity.

Bengal - I'm afraid that I'll have forgotten that mouthful of made-up verbage by tomorrow. I've lost track of what the 'non-binary' part is in relation to ... with few exceptions people are binary, female and male, XX or XY. (re the intersex exceptions - afaik they have more serious issues to worry about than some of this nonsense and don't find 'cis' helpful)

CoteDAzur languages evolve constantly. They were not just created as they are now, but are evolving to suit our purposes. Words are created all the time. Lots of things might not be grammatically/definition correct, but are used because they make sense, and doesn't hurt/misgender people. Also, you have managed to exhaust me. If I am to be educated, I would probably request someone other than you, because what you say is literal bs.

Transwomen are women!

Ok, I've made up two names to describe two groups of people - man and woman. You don't have to 'identify' as one or the other, but you are one or the other, and I reserve the right to call you it.

Wouldn't that make a bit more sense?

transgenderism is science - I'm sorry? Would you like to explain that again?

I'm not 'not down with the lingo' - I reject the lingo and find it deeply problematic. She doesn't need to be be 'patient with us' - we just disagree!

Transwomen are women!

No, transwomen are transwomen.

A cis man is not more of a man than a transman is,

There are no words.

"CoteDAzur languages evolve constantly."

Yeah, well, this one hasn't evolved yet in the direction that you seem so desperate to see it go.

The word "woman" just does NOT mean "whoever fancies themselves in makeup and heels and thinks they are female". It just doesn't.

A word means what the dictionaries say it means. Not what you want it to mean.

Defining the meaning of woman to mean any fucker that fancies it is demeaning to women.

An adult female has many biological markers, it's why we have a different medicalised pathway in the UK.... not because we paint our nails and cry at movies 'cause we're sensitive.

Don't you mind being part of a movement that seeks to devalue women? That has decided violence against women is less of an issue than violence against transwomen? That tells women to shut up for wanting to protect herself.

^^ This.

It is very simple. Women dont need to be given a new name just because trans women want the original name of woman.

You have men, women, trans women and trans men. More than enough and easy to distinguish between all 3.

"A cis man is not more of a man than a transman is"

A yet a man's penis that shoots sperm and provides fertilisation for an egg is only found on a man....

So basically everyone who isn't hyper feminine, or hyper man is non-binary

No, that is saying that unless you are whwtver your society percieves to be very 'him' or very 'her' you are neither one nor the other. So if you are Barbie or Action Man you are OK to be woman/man.

See the flaw?

"Okay, I'm out. Your brains are obviously wired in a weird way that makes you unable to see the simplest things, and I honestly don't have time for that. Y'all are outside of pedagogical reach. Seriously, yes. I weep for humanity. -I hope none of you procreate, no reason to carry on the bigotry-"

Yes, please weep.... that's what women do.

So basically everyone who isn't hyper feminine, or hyper man is non-binary

That's so wrong I can't even begin with it. Gender constructs a binary where there needn't be one, about behaviour, tastes, preferences and predilections. We don't have to organize ourselves by this imposed binary. We do have to accept the binary of man/woman, because it's biological. I'm not non-bloody-binary, I'm a woman who doesn't buy into all the notions people have made up about what it means to be a woman.

Bengal, in the nicest possible way, you've listened agog to a vociferous poster and then read a website which endorses that view - I don't think I would call that 'background knowledge' which places you in a position to assign labels to people.

'evolving to suit our purposes'

whose purposes? Redefining 'woman' and the invention of cis suits the purposes of some transactivists and some other men. It does not suit the purposes of the majority of WOMEN.

Y'all are outside of pedagogical reach. Yes were, by definition:

We are adults, so the word you were looking for was andragogy

You're actually an offensive idiot, Serena, rather than just an idiot. I'm managing not to weep for you, but I am reporting you for that extremely offensive comment about procreation.

And you can report me for calling you an utter fool if you like.

Bengal Preach. But I mean, people are only non-binary if they identify as such. People in general are uncomfirtable with being grouped in like that, like the cis discussion here (I totally get their points, I'm just rejecting their arguments ;) ) just like not all non-binary are trans, if they don't identify as such.

I hope none of you procreate, no reason to carry on bigotry.

Ha ha ha yeah ok then.

Not wanting to be shoved in yet another corner of society by MEN does not make me a bigot it makes me opressed.