Banning the term "cis"

[OlennasWimple]

Apologies if this had already been done, but can MNHQ consider banning the term "cis", given how horrifically offensive so many users of MN find it?

I don't think I need to set out the background and reasoning to this request (but can do so if it would help!)

Me to, just a woman.

I beg your pardon. Used to define the sex they were born with.

I sometimes call myself 'gender resisting'.

And calling trans women "men" is also horrifically offensive to many posters. Why doesn't MN ban both?

I am a Wonderfully Obscure Mixture (of) All Nuances.

ie a W.O.M.A.N.

I don't 'identify' with anything, I just bloody am one.

It's ok to call a trans woman a trans woman though - yes? Because that to me clears everything up. I am a woman, that person is a trans woman - we have equal rights and equal opportunities - is that ok?

"And calling trans women "men" is also horrifically offensive to many posters. Why doesn't MN ban both?"

Yes, that is very offensive. I thought MN did delete that?

garlic arf at antigen. So could someone who rejects biological definitions be an antibody maybe? Since its open season on scientific terms

Perhaps we should have a 1984 read along.

We are witnessing the establishment of a universal deceit.

Aggghhhh! Why are all the posters calling out the bigotry they perceive, using "Trans" as an all inclusive term?

There are Transwomen who are different to Transvestites, Crossdressers who are different to Cross dreamers, men who identify as Autoglynaphiliacs and so on,and so on.

All these terms, whether you like them or not, are reinforcing gender stereotypes.

If I say I find it offensive, please don't tell me that I don't have the right to feel offended.

I hope I got all, if not, let me know...

BengalCatMum Hmm I mean, I like they a lot, but I'm usually okay with people calling me she, that really depends. I know someone who is agender who prefer to be addressed as they. Without knowing, I would think they is the most common.

Marys It shouldn't matter, but it does, the world is very gendered, and certain things are expected of you based on whatever gender you are assigned at birth. So people's gender identity is just a reaction to that, as in, no I am not like that, I don't fit into this, or yes, I fit into this or anywhere inbetween. And yes, obviously, when you are admitted to the hospital, it is useful to know one's biological sex, male or female, but I mean, but a second box for gender identity, no reason to misgender people. 40% of transgender people have tried committing suicide.

IceCaps I see why lots of people don't like it, and when trans people refer to cis people, it really just means the people who identify as the gender they were assigned at birth. I should probably have put it the other way around, agender are people that don't identify with a particular gender, whereas people who don't identify with a particular gender may be agender, or they might not, as some argues, that agender is a gender identity and therefore you are a gender. Whatever people are most comfortable with.

amarmai Cis is not a women thing, men can be cis too. And all women are not cis, you can be a transwoman.

noeffingidea Transgender is a real scientific thing, supported by tons of studies, and denying that is quite ignorant. And yes, making a term up to describe a group of people is perfectly legit, that's how literally every group desription is made.

TheOnlyLivingBoy No, obviously, if I could hear how ridiculous my point sounded, I would not have made it. Again, transgenderism is science, and is biology. Being transgender is a biological thing. Gender identity is biological.

When I was growing up I'm delighted to say no one talked about gender, we talked about the sexes, equality of the sexes, sex segregated space. No one permanently sought that the entire globe "respected" their personality ahem gender. Non binary makes my teeth itch. Who cares is you are non binary? Who is binary? I don't respect special pronouns, if you want to call yourself "they" don't expect me to go along with it.

Essentially its becoming a description of personality - expanded from two options to a whole variety to choose from

Meanwhile oppression occurs because of biology not personality, witg the whole 'oooh i'm an aries' navelgazing being by the by

Cis my arse

"CoteDAzur obviously I know what sex I am ."

Well, assuming you are female and an adult, you are...

A woman (= adult human female).

HTH. And I'm happy to have been of assistance to you today

"and yes, I identify as gender critical"

You are? Then what are you on about calling yourself agender, agenderfluid etc? Why not just say "gender is society-imposed bullshit" and live as yourself?

Humans are either male, female or rarely, intersex, as defined by our chromosomes and seen by our primary and secondary sexual characteristics.
You can call me what you want - including cis, but it will not change the fact I am female. I don't think about my gender - it is a vague undefined concept to me.
I am sympathetic to people who feel they are in the wrong body. Male or female, we are all born human. After that call it what you want. These definitions don't seem to have much of a consensus at the moment.

I find cis offensive because my husband is a "sissy Crossdresser". He, and the community of like minded friends he has, use the term CIS to describe a born female sex, woman. But to him, a "sissy" is a better version of a cis. Because a sissy is what a real woman should be, a submissive, bird brained sex object.

OBVIOUSLY he is so wrong on SO many levels.

Check out crossdressers.com.

BertieRussell

MN don't allow calling of trans women individuals men, but is fine with calling all trans women men. Which would of course include every individual trans woman.

Sorena, i really find it hard to know where to start. Gender and sex are not the same.

And all women are not cis, you can be a transwoman.

Aaaaagh. You can be a woman and if you were born male, but identify as a woman, or have had medical intervention to reconstruct your body, a transwoman. Or you can be a man, but if you were born a female and identify as a man, or have had medical internevention to reconstruct your body, a transman.

So a woman and a transwoman
A man and a transman

Why do we need 'cis'?

A person who rejects gender is gender critical